Seriously...who believes RJJ was ever Heavyweight Champ?

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Your point of view is wjhat is a part of what is wrong with Boxing.
People like you can accept multiple "World Champions" at the same weight.
Can you name any other sport where there are more than one set of world champions?
Does Formula One have 2 -3 World champs?
Does Football(Soccer to the yanks) have more than One World champion?

You ask what i have against Jones?
His false claim to be the HW champ of the world when Lennox Lewis undisputedly held that claim.
The fact he was tested positive for steroids.

I don't understand why I am vilified for that?

Because I don't hear you going off on James Toney, Shane Mosley or Fernando Vargas, all I hear is Jones this and Jones that.

If you listen to any of the HBO broadcasts they always say he's the first middleweight fighter to move up to heavyweight and win A heavyweight title in 100 years, nobody else had done that.

You're pretty ****** to compare boxing, which is an individual sport to football or Formula 1.

Read my post again, I said he wasn't THE world champion, he was A world champion, it's people like you who are bad for boxing who don't give credit where credit's due.

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hey every one hates on john ruiz, but he was a decent champ and had a good career he beat.......................

Golota
Rahman
kirk johnson (was a contender at the time)
Holyfield
Oquendo (another contender)

he fighting style ****** ass like Wlad, but he has had a better career than Wlad so far.

also how can RJJ not be a champ. If you hold a belt you are a champ, if you are unified you are THE champ. He wasnt the best, but was far from the worst. So regardless of what you all say "he was a titleholder, not the champ" he was the champ with the WBA. If you a belt you are A CHAMPION, thats why he was called THE "WBA" CHAMPION. You may not like it, but if you go by the rule of the book, he was a champ.

Hahahaa. Wlad would make Ruiz look silly in the ring.

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Because I don't hear you going off on James Toney, Shane Mosley or Fernando Vargas, all I hear is Jones this and Jones that.

If you listen to any of the HBO broadcasts they always say he's the first middleweight fighter to move up to heavyweight and win A heavyweight title in 100 years, nobody else had done that.

You're pretty ****** to compare boxing, which is an individual sport to football or Formula 1.

Read my post again, I said he wasn't THE world champion, he was A world champion, it's people like you who are bad for boxing who don't give credit where credit's due.

Credit for jUICING UP AND PRETENDING TO BE THE wORLD CHAMP.
NEVER.
Your too ****** to realise I wasn't comparing the finer points of these sports but the FACT that other Sports don't have MULTIPLE WORLD CHAMPIONS.
You don't get 2 guys as the World 100 meteres champion do you?
Yet thats an individual sport.
Jones would get more respect had he not cheated.
And then overnight he gets spanked Royally by a far inferior fighter.
Same way Ben Johnson couldn't win with out his yellow eyes.
Trouble is there will always be ****stains who defend their cheating heroes.
They are those kids who were devastated to find out that Santa didn't exist.

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Credit for jUICING UP AND PRETENDING TO BE THE wORLD CHAMP.
NEVER.
Your too ****** to realise I wasn't comparing the finer points of these sports but the FACT that other Sports don't have MULTIPLE WORLD CHAMPIONS.
You don't get 2 guys as the World 100 meteres champion do you?
Yet thats an individual sport.
Jones would get more respect had he not cheated.
And then overnight he gets spanked Royally by a far inferior fighter.
Same way Ben Johnson couldn't win with out his yellow eyes.
Trouble is there will always be ****stains who defend their cheating heroes.
They are those kids who were devastated to find out that Santa didn't exist.

Have you ever heard of a fighter being weight drained? Getting old? You don't have any proof that he took anything other than Ripped Fuel, which was a legal supplement in boxing until 2004. You're ****** enough to think Jones is serious when he says he's the heavyweight champion of the world, he knows it's good for his marketability. I bet you're ****** enough to believe Mayweather when he says he's the greatest ever.

Ali shouldn't have lost to an inferior fighting in Spinks, Robinson shouldn't have lost to and inferior fighter in Turpin, Hearns shouldn't have lost to an inferior fighter in Barkley.

There's no point in debating with you because your mind is closed, you're not willing to listen to anything else.

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Have you ever heard of a fighter being weight drained? Getting old? You don't have any proof that he took anything other than Ripped Fuel, which was a legal supplement in boxing until 2004.

Ali shouldn't have lost to an inferior fighting in Spinks, Robinson shouldn't have lost to and inferior fighter in Turpin, Hearns shouldn't have lost to an inferior fighter in Barkley.

Ripped Fuel CANNOT make you 6x over the legal limit ......
Roy also used the excuse of "Nasal Congestant" before changing his story to ripped fuel.
Thing is America can't afford to have the Golden Boy of Boxing to be exposed can they now?
But the damage is done.
Although there are still those who accept the excuses.
As yourself.

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Ripped Fuel CANNOT make you 6x over the legal limit ......
Roy also used the excuse of "Nasal Congestant" before changing his story to ripped fuel.
Thing is America can't afford to have the Golden Boy of Boxing to be exposed can they now?
But the damage is done.
Although there are still those who accept the excuses.
As yourself.

Innocent until proven guilty.

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Innocent until proven guilty.

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So he got knocked out which proves him guilty.....right.

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So he got knocked out which proves him guilty.....right.

No he tested positive which proved him guilty.
Then overnight after the Balco scandal broke he suddenly became human.
The excuse of losing all that "Muscle" was nonsense.
He lost 18lbs in 6 months.
Not a mean feat at all.
He had even more time for the second Tarver fight where he got KTFO.

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No he tested positive which proved him guilty.
Then overnight after the Balco scandal broke he suddenly became human.
The excuse of losing all that "Muscle" was nonsense.
He lost 18lbs in 6 months.
Not a mean feat at all.
He had even more time for the second Tarver fight where he got KTFO.

There isn't any proof to what you are saying, there's only proof he took Ripped Fuel. Too bad. Anyway, we're only going to go round and round in this, your mind is already made up, you're not willing to consider other options so there's no point in debating with you any more, good luck on your hatred.