Jermain's career over?!

[Ray Ray]

let me remind people that in taylor/pavlikI taylor got close to winning in the second and he was ahead on the cards when he got knocked out.

I agree with you. Thats the thing I really cant seem to understand. Some people are really ignoring the fact that Pavlik was seconds away from being KO.

[The Troll]

So for you, boxing is just an exercise in knocking someone out? If they fail to do that, it goes to the cards, but you just want to see someone get knocked out- and that's the sport in a nutshell?

It's an exercise in defeating somebody else in a fight that takes place within a enclosed square. Period.

winning fights in the amatures hones your ability to do this in the prizering. You cant do any of this if you yourself are there on the other side of the ring laying down or with a dislocated jab, broken nose.

[Njord777]

It's an exercise in defeating somebody else in a fight that takes place within a enclosed square.

winning fights in the amatures hones your ability to do this in the prizering. You cant do any of this if you yourself are there on the other side of the ring laying down or with a dislocated jab, broken nose.

No, I think you focus on one aspect of the real goal. The goal isn't to knock someone out- we agree, obviously that boxing is done in an enclosed ring. So let's mark that off the debate. Also, we agree that the two men are fighting...so that's another tick on the list of attributes we see it sharing.

Defeating someone, though, shouldn't mean by knockout. Boxers will tell you over and over, "I'm not going in looking for the knockout, if it happens, it happens.." In other words- there are other ways to win. Sure, I like seeing a solid KO as much as the next fan...but that's no the focus. It's a sport. It's about movement, defense, accuracy- there are subtle aspects. Not just bone crunching and knock outs.

The fact that my thread is pointing out people hoping Jermain's career is ended tomorrow and you respond telling me that's just part of the sport...well...it makes me feel like you're not really giving these guys much respect for risking their lives.

[The Troll]

this argument your making is like challenging the idea that the is sky is blue but rather another color. you are one warped individual, you prove that time and time and time again.

one enclosed ring, two guys, fists, hitting, hitting as proficiently and as efficient as possible, the end.

[SkillspayBills]

Njord I have to commend you for such an admirable thread. I don't think that's just boxing I think it's people. As a people.............well..............we are bloodthirsty. Most want to see blood, sweat, pain and damage. Why else would someone who chooses to hit and not get hit get berated?

[Njord777]

this argument your making is like challenging the idea that the is sky is blue but rather another color. you are one warped individual, you prove that time and time and time again.

one enclosed ring, two guys, fists, hitting, hitting as proficiently and as efficient as possible, the end.

I prove I'm a warped individual time and again? How? What makes me so warped?

In this case, I'm arguing against the sky being blue by pointing out that there is more to boxing than a KO. Super. I'm glad I could demonstrate, once again, how silly I am. Oh, and thanks for trying to set me straight without really addressing what the thread was about; people hoping Jermain gets hurt- badly enough to end his career.

[The Troll]

Njord I have to commend you for such an admirable thread. I don't think that's just boxing I think it's people. As a people.............well..............we are bloodthirsty. Most want to see blood, sweat, pain and damage. Why else would someone who chooses to hit and not get hit get berated?

what does bloodthirst have to do with it. If I fight I'm not fighting to lose, I want to win and win as definitively as possible.

I accumulate points by doing damage to my opponent in a fight with my fists, it would seem I'm doing the job if my opponent can no longer stand in the same ring with me.

[Njord777]

what does bloodthirst have to do with it. If I fight I'm not fighting to lose, I want to win and win as definitively as possible.

I accumulate points by doing damage to my opponent in a fight with my fists, it would seem I'm doing the job if my opponent can no longer stand in the same ring with me.

Actually, you accumulate points by clean, effective punching- accuracy and ring generalship. You do realize that Kelly Pavlik could beat the **** out Jermain Taylor damage wise, land the harder punches- break his nose, jaw, orbital bone...and yet if Jermain can land more often, even with less power- if he can take damage but land more often and with better accuracy- you realize he can win on the cards?

So your point seems a bit skewed.

[The Troll]

Actually, you accumulate points by clean, effective punching- accuracy and ring generalship. You do realize that Kelly Pavlik could beat the **** out Jermain Taylor damage wise, land the harder punches- break his nose, jaw, orbital bone...and yet if Jermain can land more often, even with less power- if he can take damage but land more often and with better accuracy- you realize he can win on the cards?

So your point seems a bit skewed.

the power of a punch or punches landed has no bearing in the scoring of a round? There's a new one.

by the way how do you define 'punch' what's the purpose of that function?

but I'm not having a 100 page debate with you on what color the sky is.

[Kendo]

let me remind people that in taylor/pavlikI taylor got close to winning in the second and he was ahead on the cards when he got knocked out.

while this is very true but false. i dont think taylor was winning the fight. after the knockdown pavlik came back. i had him ahead. besides even lamply and them where saying that taylor shouldnt have been winning on the cards. even steward knew taylor was losing and he was his trainer.

to the person who made this thread it is a very good topic to talk about. i think in a way a fighter should have the mentality that he is going to KO the guy they are in the ring with him. you look at roy jones saying he was going to KO tito in 4. its just something that you have to think about.