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  • crillz
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    #121
    Originally posted by rebmogul
    crillz~

    what did you mean by

    "I still have to respect his fighting ability it's just against who that I have a problem with"
    the fact that it was either past prime, nothing like before names or guys who were very good, had great current standings but just weren't what they were thought of, guys who probably lost 1st or 2nd to Oscar but went on to lose more and more against elite level fighters, no doubt Oscar was up there but I feel his level of opposition didn't warrant such a high demand, yea he took on the best and lost to the bestter half, which is my problem with him BTW, but rewind to back then, to back when 2008 was like the end of the world in our minds, we all saw Oscar De la Hoya just beat Jorge Paez, Genaro Hernandez, Gabriel Ruelas but what we saw more than anything was girls mobbing him everywhere, fans sucking his **** everywhere he went and basically even him in the news for beating on a chick, all of these things contributed to him being the big name he is today, his looks and his celebrity status in Latino America helped shape him into the man he is and not so much who he BEAT. see he beat Whitaker but we all know the truth there, he beat Molina but we all know the truth there, he beat Quartey but again we all know the truth there..

    everyone else was either not on his level or better than him career wise but just didn't have it anymore, like a non die hard Boxing fan would be like "De La Hoya beat Chavez, he's great" and not know that Chavez was WAYYY past his prime in those 2 fights, still a threat but Chavez IMO is like a one of a kind despite some gift decisions, he was a warrior and I feel that enough of that false hype and bull**** claims on Oscar helped build this bull**** level of celebrity that always held him above better fighters who have beaten him but his star status pulled him out of danger, it wasn't until he faced an equally prized star opponent that he lost even with losing 3 times prior, his name and rep saved him a lot of times and since back then until now he uses that name and rep to get him places where his hands haven't earned like against Floyd, it's no mystery his money not his ability buys him a shot at these guys, you can scream split decision all you want but that **** was unanimous yo Floyd won clearly, people who like Oscar will always push for him but never admit it, they blame it on aggression or whatever but truth be told it's fanatical bull**** because from a non biased view Floyd won the fight.

    what did he have to do? kill him? Floyd won but people will always support this dude, it's what they have been accustomed to doing since back then, they hear the name and like a clock on timer they reach for the phone and order his fights not because he's the best or he's better than such and such but because he is who he is, his name and face saves him a lot and I don't like it, he faced the best but he lost to the better of his opposition and even the guys he did beat that were any good and not past their prime he really actually lost. thats my problem with him, how he can lose 3 of his last 5 fights and not even be pound for pound ranked but because he got a million dollars for you he can just jump the line, I don't like that ****.. I wrote it wrote it ain't who he fought, he fought everybody he just lost to the better of his opposition and his name and rep saved him, thats **** I don't like.

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    • Burning Desire
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      #122
      Originally posted by rebmogul
      has received the most "gift" decisions. Most of you know where I am going to go with this, but here it is anyway.....

      John John Molina vs Oscar De La Hoya = gift for Oscar
      Miguel Angel Gonzalez vs Oscar De La Hoya = gift for Oscar
      Pernell Whitaker vs Oscar De la Hoya = gift for Oscar
      Ike Quartey vs Oscar De La Hoya = gift for Oscar
      Felix Sturm vs Oscar De La Hoya = gift for Oscar

      Without all these gift decisons Oscar would have a 38-10 record. Even Arturo Gatti has a better record than that. Hardly hall of fame material.
      I had ODLH winning the Molina fight and the Gonzalez fight, i had the Whitaker fight a draw, I had Quartey beating ODLH by 1 point, and i had Sturm beating ODLH by 3 points.

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      • Burning Desire
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        #123
        Taylor had 4 gift decisions not quite as many as ODLH but he is still up there.

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        • Burning Desire
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          #124
          I would also like to say one more thing that out of all those gift decisions you mentioned i only had ODLH losing 2 of them, which can be trumped with ODLH losing controversial decisions to Tito, Mosley 2, in which many people thought he won both of those fights. So it can work both ways, the only outright robbery win ODLH got was the Sturm victory, all the over controversial wins he had you can easily have him winning all of them, because they were all razor thin close except for the Sturm fight.

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          • DrewWoodside
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            #125
            Originally posted by rebmogul
            i have told everyone on this post since i got here in december that;
            "Oscar is the mexican version of Arturo Gatti with a lot less heart. Proven by his intention to fight Steve Forbes (a blown up, past his prime lightweight) as a tune up for his rematch with a jr welter (which he lost) at jr middle. the guy is a ****ing joke and a clown. what a chump."

            and i used the thread to start a debate and i used his gifts to support my opinion. that is why it is called a "debate" like the high school course, remember?

            of course i want to bag on oscar, he's a coward. but that don't change the fact that he has the most gift decisions (so what if Ottke has one too) did you think i started the post because i like oscar?

            pull your head out, soak it for a while and then use it to think for yourself
            calling him the mexican version of gatti just makes you look like an all out DLH hater. I think DLH can be quite a tool sometimes and is now more completely hellbent on money but he's certainly better than Gatti. Also a lot of the reason his decisions are so called into question is b/c close decisions between high ranked fighters are always looked at under a microscope. He took on a lot of diffcicult fights. When one fighter is relatively unknown or credited people are quicker to forget them being robbed. DLH's decisions are so scrutinized b/c he has so many eyes on him, he took on big fights and they ended in a photo finish.

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            • rebmogul
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              #126
              Originally posted by Burning Desire
              Taylor had 4 gift decisions not quite as many as ODLH but he is still up there.
              That's a good point. I can't quite recall 4 but think he lost the 1st with BH, had a draw in the 2nd with BH and I thought that Spinks won 7-5.

              What others wre you refering to?

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              • rebmogul
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                #127
                Originally posted by DrewWoodside
                calling him the mexican version of gatti just makes you look like an all out DLH hater. I think DLH can be quite a tool sometimes and is now more completely hellbent on money but he's certainly better than Gatti. Also a lot of the reason his decisions are so called into question is b/c close decisions between high ranked fighters are always looked at under a microscope. He took on a lot of diffcicult fights. When one fighter is relatively unknown or credited people are quicker to forget them being robbed. DLH's decisions are so scrutinized b/c he has so many eyes on him, he took on big fights and they ended in a photo finish.
                Sure, let's just wait and see if we are lucky to see another jr . middle or middle that loses to floyd, twice, and then we'll see what you think.

                Or better yet, name me another "great" jr. middle / middle weight that has lost to a jr. welter when the jr. welter moved up in weight.

                I'll be right here....

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                • Jim Jeffries
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                  #128
                  Sven Ottke.

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                  • -Hyperion-
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                    #129
                    robmogul is the biggest joke of a hater........

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                    • BennyST
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                      #130
                      Man, who gives a **** about Oscar? Compared to Ottke Oscar has had a harsh career full of terrible losses and rip-offs!

                      Ottke is one of the biggest jokes of boxing I can ever remember. He had so many ridiculous decisions for him that I just don't even know what to say...
                      The Reid fight was definitely one of the worst. I mean, he was penalised for hitting Ottke at one point! For hitting him! He threw a punch, it landed and he got a warning for it! You can not get any worse than that.

                      He also had about another five minimum, ridiculous, foul, terrible wins that were either caused by the payed off judges or referees. After that he had more but they were nothing compared to some of the really bad ones. Unfortunately he is considered a boxing genius in Germany and they idolise him over there. It's an absolute joke, I just wish he could understand what a joke he is considered across the rest of the world. Piece of trash ****!

                      Edit: actually I thought I should probably point out that this wasn't even the worst of Ottke wins. One of them but not the worst. The worst would have to be against Lardsen. The guy was like 40-1 and took Ottke apart but of course it was given against him. It was really sad because Lardsen would of made a better fighter than Ottke ever could have but after this he was so bummed by boxing he gave it up. He also got a nice job against Brewer. Anyway, he should have ended up around 30-6 or so instead of 36-0 and retiring with the WBF and IBO belts.

                      The really funny thing was though, just after the Reid fight his next defense was going to have to be outside of Germany for the first time and guess what? He very promptly retired!!!
                      Last edited by BennyST; 02-07-2008, 12:42 AM.

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