Over the last 10-12 years which fighter......

[crillz]

Those real killers had damn near perfect records when they got whupped by oscar.

As for D Weins, I like how you exposed dude, but its not even that we oscar lovers, its just whether u like someone or not you gotta give credit where its due.

When crillz bought up Trinidad, I coulda sed Oscar won the fight, and that Trinidad got killed by Wright and Hopkins and Jones, but i'm not a hater, I don't just look at the negatives, I look at the positives as well

yea but when crillz brought up Trinidad he was enforcing a point that went in conjunction to the whole point of this thread which somehow got lost amongst the posts and views expressed.. I GIVE credit to where it's due but I also respect threads and if I am going to post in homies thread the least I can do is follow along the lines of his intended argument. you can name Trinidad and Mosley or whoever the **** you want but truth be told they HAVEN'T had more gift decisions than Oscar De La Hoya, plain and simple, and in case you didn't know the whole point to this thread is WHO IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS GOTTEN THE MOST GIFT DECISIONS, it wasn't Trinidad nor was it Mosley so stop looking on the other side of the coin when the discussion doesn't warrant it.

[Fox McCloud]

yea but when crillz brought up Trinidad he was enforcing a point that went in conjunction to the whole point of this thread which somehow got lost amongst the posts and views expressed.. I GIVE credit to where it's due but I also respect threads and if I am going to post in homies thread the least I can do is follow along the lines of his intended argument. you can name Trinidad and Mosley or whoever the **** you want but truth be told they HAVEN'T had more gift decisions than Oscar De La Hoya, plain and simple, and in case you didn't know the whole point to this thread is WHO IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS GOTTEN THE MOST GIFT DECISIONS, it wasn't Trinidad nor was it Mosley so stop looking on the other side of the coin when the discussion doesn't warrant it.

Like I said... just because it's his thread doesn't mean he gets a free pass to say whatever he wants in the original post with a free pass not to get called out on any of it, regardless of how ****** it is.

I just said that if he is going to count the close wins that are considered gifts as losses on Oscar's record, he really should go back and count the close losses that are considered gifts for his opponent as wins. I'm not okay with someone saying that Oscar has 10 losses on his record, because that is ridiculous.

[crillz]

They do when the thread starter mentions that De La Hoya should have 10 losses on his record I think...

If he is going to count the close wins as certain losses, then he needs to count the close losses as certain wins. It's fine to point out gift decisions, but saying a fighter has 10 losses when his record only shows 5 in a factual manner is not right when both sides of a gift decision are not examined for him.

Just keeping it 100.

lolz I like that reference to how I usually end my posts, clever..

well back to the point, see if he spoke about how many losses Oscar should have then you tell him to stick to his **** because you can think of a few fights that Oscar won that didn't go his way neither, if that don't work THEN you flip the script because then he would be doubting what you saying and regardless of topic you have a right to defend any point you make of just begin to make. but see you have to realize that what he was saying goes in conjunction with his thread because he was just adding the gift decisions to his loss count, IF he would have lost those fights he would have had 9 losses which were Molina, Whitaker, Quartey, Sturm, Trinidad, Mosley 2x's, Hopkins and Mayweather.. 9 losses.. I understand his point perfectly and I think he's right..

when you bring up Trinidad all you doing is coming to the defense of Oscar, you are trying to say it ain't right to say this and that about Oscar when he beat Tito and Mosley but guess what? take away Mosley and Trinidad from his list of losses and you still have 2 gift decisions which is STILL 1 more than Trinidad and Mosley supposedly had, regardless what you say the fact you trying to say Mosley of Trinidad were wins for oscar you still can't deny his actual losses, you trying to point that out and that point holds no weight because when you count all of the named fighters supposed losses you have 4 for Oscar and 1 for Trinidad and Mosley each, call it what you want fam but your point holds no weight, just a while ago *****z was making the same selective criticism that you feel you need to step in and say your piece here in a Trinidad VS De La Hoya rematch thread, if you in here at De La Hoya's aid then maybe you should have been there in Trinidad's aid going in accordance to your "Lehman's" terms..

[crillz]

Like I said... just because it's his thread doesn't mean he gets a free pass to say whatever he wants in the original post with a free pass not to get called out on any of it, regardless of how ****** it is.

I just said that if he is going to count the close wins that are considered gifts as losses on Oscar's record, he really should go back and count the close losses that are considered gifts for his opponent as wins. I'm not okay with someone saying that Oscar has 10 losses on his record, because that is ridiculous.

count it and make whatever equations you want dog the truth of the matter is is that Oscar got MORE gift decisions than Trinidad or Mosley, you can't reverse a loss just because he is reversing a win in a thread was built only to point out gift wins. if he was talking about robberies then I understand but adding De La Hoya's losses to his gift wins is only to show and give you an idea of how his record would look, and fine take away 2 losses from his SUPPOSED 9 losses that is bothering you so much and add a loss to each Trinidad and Shane's record yo Oscar will STILL have more gift wins in his record due to Sturm, Whitaker, Molina and Quartey no matter what you say, **** it say he got 7 true losses, the point in this thread was to point out the GIFT DECISIONS not to talk about anything else and when you DO pull out gift decisions for Oscar's record you have MORE than what you do in both Tito's and Shane's records so your point holds no weight..

[rebmogul]

Like I said... just because it's his thread doesn't mean he gets a free pass to say whatever he wants in the original post with a free pass not to get called out on any of it, regardless of how ****** it is.

I just said that if he is going to count the close wins that are considered gifts as losses on Oscar's record, he really should go back and count the close losses that are considered gifts for his opponent as wins. I'm not okay with someone saying that Oscar has 10 losses on his record, because that is ridiculous.

i have no problem at someone "looking at the other side of the coin" but usually they only try to look at the other side becuase they want to avoid the original point, which was:

what other fighter in the last 10-12 years has gotten more gift decisions?

and since NO ONE has been able to provide (MOST DIDN'T EVEN TRY AND THE REASON IS OBVIOUS) a better example than the one used in my example, we can only conclude that;

ODH has UNANIMOUSLY received the the most gift decisions. which was the point is was trying to make. the reasoning that he also had some not go his way and that other fighters also had some gifts don't change ****.

Oscar is the mexican version of Arturo Gatti with a lot less heart. Proven by his intention to fight Steve Forbes ( a blown up past his prime lightweight) as a tune up for his rematch with a jr welter at jr middle.

the guy is a ****ing joke and a clown. what a champ....

[Dice]

you people can't be serious. People answered the question. The UNANIMOUS answer was Sven Ottke. But like D Weins pointed out, dudes intention was basically to bag on Oscar.

As far as Crillz, wen I said that, I ain't say that thing about Trinidad to make it look like u was a hater, I said that to showcase how I was not a hater.

His name was bought up and I said he lost to De La Hoya, if I was a hater I woulda just said that he got killed by Hopkins and Wright, but I didn't cuz I got respect for dude and I said that while he lost to Oscar, I still thot he was a solid fighter, and beat many champs.

The reason many people got rubbed the wrong way by the threadstarter is cuz he was simply hating. Theres no problem with him not liking Oscar, because I don't even like him myself. But theres argueing your point, like me, you, d weins and others have done and then theres str8 hating and bashing everything like rebmogul has done

[rebmogul]

you people can't be serious. People answered the question. The UNANIMOUS answer was Sven Ottke. But like D Weins pointed out, dudes intention was basically to bag on Oscar.

As far as Crillz, wen I said that, I ain't say that thing about Trinidad to make it look like u was a hater, I said that to showcase how I was not a hater.

His name was bought up and I said he lost to De La Hoya, if I was a hater I woulda just said that he got killed by Hopkins and Wright, but I didn't cuz I got respect for dude and I said that while he lost to Oscar, I still thot he was a solid fighter, and beat many champs.

The reason many people got rubbed the wrong way by the threadstarter is cuz he was simply hating. Theres no problem with him not liking Oscar, because I don't even like him myself. But theres argueing your point, like me, you, d weins and others have done and then theres str8 hating and bashing everything like rebmogul has done

i have told everyone on this post since i got here in december that;
"Oscar is the mexican version of Arturo Gatti with a lot less heart. Proven by his intention to fight Steve Forbes (a blown up, past his prime lightweight) as a tune up for his rematch with a jr welter (which he lost) at jr middle. the guy is a ****ing joke and a clown. what a chump."

and i used the thread to start a debate and i used his gifts to support my opinion. that is why it is called a "debate" like the high school course, remember?

of course i want to bag on oscar, he's a coward. but that don't change the fact that he has the most gift decisions (so what if Ottke has one too) did you think i started the post because i like oscar?

pull your head out, soak it for a while and then use it to think for yourself

[Dice]

that means in your opinion that Oscar has the most gifts. You said why and its cool. But the thread asks which fighter has the most gifts.

When I sed Otkke you said so wat, Oscar has the most gifts.

So where you going wit it? Why ask the question, why not just name the thread

"Oscar has the most gift decisions and heres why".

Pull YOUR head out, stop, think, then come back with something intellegent to say, or you can crack another crappy joke and get shut down again

[crillz]

you people can't be serious. People answered the question. The UNANIMOUS answer was Sven Ottke. But like D Weins pointed out, dudes intention was basically to bag on Oscar.

As far as Crillz, wen I said that, I ain't say that thing about Trinidad to make it look like u was a hater, I said that to showcase how I was not a hater.

His name was bought up and I said he lost to De La Hoya, if I was a hater I woulda just said that he got killed by Hopkins and Wright, but I didn't cuz I got respect for dude and I said that while he lost to Oscar, I still thot he was a solid fighter, and beat many champs.

The reason many people got rubbed the wrong way by the threadstarter is cuz he was simply hating. Theres no problem with him not liking Oscar, because I don't even like him myself. But theres argueing your point, like me, you, d weins and others have done and then theres str8 hating and bashing everything like rebmogul has done

I feel u fam, respect to you for showing Trinidad love at a time where most would take to show the hate that his past success just didn't allow them to, thats very commendable.. some people feel he lost to Oscar and some feel he won, honestly I need to re-score the fight to form an opinion with fresh eyes, I haven't seen that fight in it's entirety in years so truth be told I can't say.. all I know is you entitled to your opinion and me to mines. whether Trinidad really lost to Oscar isn't the issue, the issue is who has more gift decisions, I agree though i don't think it's right for the thread starter to start a thread for the sole purpose of discrediting De La Hoya, I don't like him either but thats not right, do that without the get up of a thread made to seem like it's looking for gift decisions and not a flawed fighter. I don't like De La Hoya neither like that but in Boxing it's the hands that do the talking and I call it neutral, while he has more gift decisions than supposedly Trinidad and Mosley I still have to respect his fighting ability it's just against who that I have a problem with.

[rebmogul]

I feel u fam, respect to you for showing Trinidad love at a time where most would take to show the hate that his past success just didn't allow them to, thats very commendable.. some people feel he lost to Oscar and some feel he won, honestly I need to re-score the fight to form an opinion with fresh eyes, I haven't seen that fight in it's entirety in years so truth be told I can't say.. all I know is you entitled to your opinion and me to mines. whether Trinidad really lost to Oscar isn't the issue, the issue is who has more gift decisions, I agree though i don't think it's right for the thread starter to start a thread for the sole purpose of discrediting De La Hoya, I don't like him either but thats not right, do that without the get up of a thread made to seem like it's looking for gift decisions and not a flawed fighter. I don't like De La Hoya neither like that but in Boxing it's the hands that do the talking and I call it neutral, while he has more gift decisions than supposedly Trinidad and Mosley I still have to respect his fighting ability it's just against who that I have a problem with.

crillz~

what did you mean by

"I still have to respect his fighting ability it's just against who that I have a problem with"