Holy cow at Mirandas punch...

[aljon]

Pavlik's gameplan was to back Miranda up.
Let's say they fight at 168, both fighters are stronger which creates a balance for both fighters. Remember, Pavlik has a hard time making weight as well.

It doesn't matter how much Miranda weighs, he can't fight going backwards, his defense is his offense, without that he's nothing but a target.

I have no doubt in my mind that if Miranda and Pavlik fight at 168, Pavlik backs him up and knocks him out again. This is a matter of strategy.

I've watched Miranda for a while, I watched him against Arthur Abraham, when Arthur backed Miranda up, and he did a couple of times, Miranda was helpless, you gotta have a good gameplan against these guys.

[th4l3pr3ch4un]

good post aljon.

[Pantera2000]

Pavlik's gameplan was to back Miranda up.
Let's say they fight at 168, both fighters are stronger which creates a balance for both fighters. Remember, Pavlik has a hard time making weight as well.

It doesn't matter how much Miranda weighs, he can't fight going backwards, his defense is his offense, without that he's nothing but a target.

I have no doubt in my mind that if Miranda and Pavlik fight at 168, Pavlik backs him up and knocks him out again. This is a matter of strategy.

I've watched Miranda for a while, I watched him against Arthur Abraham, when Arthur backed Miranda up, and he did a couple of times, Miranda was helpless, you gotta have a good gameplan against these guys.

I agree Miranda has trouble going backwards. But look what happened to Abraham when he was coming forward, he got his jaw cracked in 2 places. Healthy, Miranda would love to meet Pavlik in the middle of the ring and see how long Kelly continues to come forward. Others have tried it... Eastman tried it one round, got nailed flush, and never tried again.

If you ask Miranda, he loves the guys that want to come forward. Other than Pavlik, they have all backed down. At 168lbs, Pavlik may be heavier, but Miranda is much much healthier and stronger. It would be night and day compared to what happened in Memphis.

[sterling]

If miranda had better footwork and skill he would be unstoppable.

[ippo]

Miranda wasn't 100% for pavlik.He passed out like 2 times to make weight.It was a good fight though but he got tired in 2 rounds.He has 1 punch power.

[hulme#1]

I agree Miranda has trouble going backwards. But look what happened to Abraham when he was coming forward, he got his jaw cracked in 2 places. Healthy, Miranda would love to meet Pavlik in the middle of the ring and see how long Kelly continues to come forward. Others have tried it... Eastman tried it one round, got nailed flush, and never tried again.

If you ask Miranda, he loves the guys that want to come forward. Other than Pavlik, they have all backed down. At 168lbs, Pavlik may be heavier, but Miranda is much much healthier and stronger. It would be night and day compared to what happened in Memphis.

This is like 'Pantera2000's Question Time'.

I've got one:
If Joe Calzaghe were to move back down after the Hopkins fight, let's say his opponent were Miranda instead of the Pavlik/Taylor winner (as has been mooted). How would you see that one panning out? You think Edison could destroy Joe with his power?
If Miranda were able to land one of those major bombs on Joe, I can see Calzaghe being knocked out or at least left wide-open vulnerable to being finished off. But if Calzaghe is able to evade Edison's heaviest bombs all night, I think Pantera would be easily outpointed. Joe -- even with his brawling streak -- would be wary of Miranda's brutal power @ 168 and would look to keep as much of the action as possible at a comparatively safe point-scoring range. As such, I'd see little chance of Edison winning a decision. In my mind, he could only win that fight by catching Joe with something big and knocking him out.
How do you see it?

[Tobi.G]

I think Miranda is not fast enough to beat Joe. Joe is the best Supermiddleweight of the last decade. Lacy was also an exciting good fighter but against Calzaghe he had no chance. Calzaghe destroyed him and Lacy was not the same after thisn defeat yet.

[*2TOUGH*]

Miranda never had Pavlik on ***** street, he hit Pavlik with his money punch several times and Pavlik came right back at Miranda unphased...No one is dis*****g the fact that Miranda is a massive puncher, he just happens to get all these spectacular KO's over BUMS...when he steps up and takes on elite fighters like Pavlik and Abraham he gets beat.

The Miranda hype was dead for a little while after he got destroyed by Pavlik....Miranda KO's a Contender Bum and now the hype is back.

ARSE WIPE!!!!!!

MIRANDA WAS DEAD AT THE WEIGHT, WITH NOTHING ON THE END OF HIS PUNCHES....

[PWESTNYC]

Miranda always had trouble making 160lbs, but was able to do it in the past. As he got older, made money, he got bigger. It is part of the sport. Not many fighters stay at the same weight throughout their career. Miranda had talked about moving up in weight after the Abraham fight, but the money was too good at 160lbs and he thought he could still make the weight. Every fight got harder and harder for him, but he pushed himself to do it.

After Pavlik, he said that's it for 160lbs, he physically couldnt do it anymore. He didnt eat for 3 days before that fight, trained hard those days. He even was at the point of spitting for 24 hours and clipping his nails as far back as he could. All that and he still weighed in at 160.25lbs. He asked his trainer to take him to a blood bank to loose the final 1/4 lbs. It never happened, but it shows how desperate he was.

You are right. He probably should have moved up after the Abraham fight. He now admits how great he feels at 168lbs, and is not killing himself to make weight. I think his power was damn good at 160lbs, but he didnt keep all his strength do to the weight loss. At 168lbs, he is a different animal. And that is scary considering how close to the top he was at 160lbs.

Any of you who do not compete in weight class sports: boxing, wrestling, etc have no idea what 8lbs can mean to a person. At 168lbs you look at Edison's body at the weigh in and wonder how the hell did he ever loose another 8lbs. He is down to probably 1-2% body fat. Look at Pavlik at 160lbs, his body fat is still probably at 8-12%....

1-2 % body fat???

My friend, who is your dope dealer because he must be giving you some good ****.

It's physically impossible to get that low. Championship bodybuilders go no lower than 3% . Typically, it's between 3-5%

Your definitely on in terms of Pavlik though. Thats a typical % for slender males..... Ectomorphs

[QuCongee]

Where's the video?