Proof that Hopkins's resume at middleweight is pathetic...

[C'MONMANG']

So you have discovered that every fighter can be criticized... wow. Bravo!

Yes dumbass, ATG fighters can be criticized. Stop talking to me like I'm a ****ing idiot because I have a problem with the quality of the people who fought Hopkins.

but you wouldnt have a problem if he had fought Winky Wright at middle?? man you are dumb

[Guest]

but you wouldnt have a problem if he had fought Winky Wright at middle?? man you are dumb

I would give Hopkins credit for beating Winky at 160. Winky arguably beat the man Hopkins couldn't. At 170, Winky just doesn't carry the weight well.

[Fox McCloud]

Joes Calzaghe average opponent has 22 wins and 6 losses.
B-Hop avg opponent has 23 wins and 6 losses.

Hopkins and Joe have been in with about the same quality opponents.

Roys Jones average opponent has 26 wins and 5 losses.

Mayweather's average competition when he defended his 130 title was 35-2-1, and I don't find it particular great other than Corrales and two good fighters in Genaro Hernandez and Jesus Chavez.

you can critisize, but you just started watching boxing less then 365 days ago. so you just look dumb. you didnt critisize you said his middle weight resume is "pathetic"..

Alright boss... so how long do I have to watch to be deemed worthy by you to talk boxing?

WHO ELSE COULD HE HAVE TAKEN ON?! HE DIDN'T DUCK ANYONE SO YOU CAN'T CALL HIS COMPETITION PATHETIC. ROY JONES JR ON THE OTHER HAND YOU CAN BECAUSE HE DIDN'T TAKE ON ALL COMERS.

Look Smokin', I already said that his resume is bad, and I have also said that it really isn't his fault. This is not a criticism of what he did, but it is a criticism of those who say he is the best MW of all-time, because when compared to other eras, Hopkins's middleweights on his resume just aren't that good.

Same reason Tyson is not the best heavyweight of all time (at least part of it).

[TopDawg]

HJe def doesn't have the best MW resume of all-time, lol. I give him credit for jumping up 2 weight divisions and beating the 31 guy at LHW.

[Smokin']

Mayweather's average competition when he defended his 130 title was 35-2-1, and I don't find it particular great other than Corrales and two good fighters in Genaro Hernandez and Jesus Chavez.



Alright boss... so how long do I have to watch to be deemed worthy by you to talk boxing?



Look Smokin', I already said that his resume is bad, and I have also said that it really isn't his fault. This is not a criticism of what he did, but it is a criticism of those who say he is the best MW of all-time, because when compared to other eras, Hopkins's middleweights on his resume just aren't that good.

Same reason Tyson is not the best heavyweight of all time (at least part of it).

Yeah but Tyson lost...and lost...and lost some more (getting knocked out a couple times or quitting). Hopkins defended his belts for a decade, beating everyone in his path. I see your point though.

[Fox McCloud]

HJe def doesn't have the best MW resume of all-time, lol. I give him credit for jumping up 2 weight divisions and beating the 31 guy at LHW.

Hell yeah, the Tarver win is by far his best win.

[Fox McCloud]

Yeah but Tyson lost...and lost...and lost some more (getting knocked out a couple times or quitting). Hopkins defended his belts for a decade, beating everyone in his path. I see your point though.

The main problem I have with Hopkins is that he really did lose to the best two fighters he fought... the argument can be made that Taylor only became one of the best because he beat Hopkins. But he did lose to Jones Jr. and Taylor. You know?

[TopDawg]

Hell yeah, the Tarver win is by far his best win.

I have to agree.

[Fox McCloud]

I have to agree.

The weird thing is that usually people knock the Tarver win and applaud his middleweight record.

[TopDawg]

The weird thing is that usually people knock the Tarver win and applaud his middleweight record.

Exactly, doesn't make much sense.