Proof that Hopkins's resume at middleweight is pathetic...

[GTL]

No one ever gives love to Carlos Monzon... that said, I don't know anything about him... it just seems odd to me that the guy who previously had the record for most defenses is never mentioned as the best middleweight ever. I've also heard the name Robinson for best MW ever.

Johnson was pretty green... I saw the fight, and was impressed by Hopkins.

I also saw Antwun Echols being pretty damn competitive in those fights.

35-0.. green? i doubt it my man..
hopkins threw some excellent combos.. it was a perfect performance man

[C'MONMANG']

Your as bad as "plain and basic common sense" for as much as you say that.

and as usual you have nothing to ad to the thread. I asked him to name who Hopkins should have fought. he left.

[Steak]

Bernard Hopkins wins arent amazing, but he defended his title(s) a million times against decent opponents. Like he has pretty good names on his record, like Glen Johnson(his #1 Middleweight win in my opinion), Trinidad was actually not too bad at 160, De La Hoya not really, Vanderpool wasnt too bad, Echols was ok, Keith Holmes a nice win, I was never really impressed with Eastman and Joppy. Robert Allen was ok but there was no need to fight him twice.

but he is one of the best Middlweights of all time just because of this.

Fight ruled a NC after Hopkins was injured when accidentally pushed out of the ring by referee Lane, who was trying to break up one of the many clinches.

Mills Lane TKO 4 Hopkins

I give a lot of credit to Hopkins just because of his consistancy and longevity. which sure as hell counts for something. and his opponents really werent that bad.
but to be honest, with head on matches, I see Hopkins losing a few.

[C'MONMANG']

Bernard Hopkins wins arent amazing, but he defended his title(s) a million times against decent opponents. Like he has pretty good names on his record, like Glen Johnson(his #1 Middleweight win in my opinion), Trinidad was actually not too bad at 160, De La Hoya not really, Vanderpool wasnt too bad, Echols was ok, Keith Holmes a nice win, I was never really impressed with Eastman and Joppy. Robert Allen was ok but there was no need to fight him twice.

but he is one of the best Middlweights of all time just because of this.

Mills Lane TKO 4 Hopkins

I give a lot of credit to Hopkins just because of his consistancy and longevity. which sure as hell counts for something. and his opponents really werent that bad.
but to be honest, with head on matches, I see Hopkins losing a few.

not to mention that at 40-41 he was willing to take on JT instead of just retiring. he had his defences already he was already considered an ATG..

knocking BHOP for anything is just down right ignorant. He's gonna fight Calzage next and went to light heavy and got that crown ALL past the age of 40. Dwiens defends Floyd but knocks Bhop? ******

[warp1432]

Keith Holmes was a two-time middleweight champion.
Robert Allen was the interim middleweight champion.
Simon Brown was a former light middleweight champion who KO'd Terry Norris.
John Jackson was a former middleweight champion.
Carl Daniels was a former light middleweight champion.
William Joppy was a two-time middleweight champion.
Antwun Echols and Howard Eastman were worthy opponents because of their punching power. Echols was 22-2 (22 KO's), Eastman was 40-1 (34 KO's).

Not that those fighters were great but they were solid opposition.

Hopkins fought RJJ better than James Toney and most other fighters when he had only been 3 years active as a pro (of course RJJ wasn't at his best either). He also had those victories over DLH and Trinidad.

Hopkins isn't the best middleweight of all time, Monzon and Hagler are better but he is very good.

Bingo. Everyone can do this to a fighter and Hopkins has a pretty decent resume. It's not fantastic, but it's solid. You can't say he advoided anyone at middleweight.

I could even do this to Winky Wright, known as the best 154 pounder of this era.

Notable wins:
Shane Mosley Twice (Blown up "lightweight")
Bronco Mckart x 3 (Why the hell did they fight 3 times)

That's two names. While he lost to Vargas, Simon, and Vasquez.

See that's really easy. Hopkins isn't known as the best Middle of all time, but he's a damn good one.

[Ryn0]

I dont really rate Hopkins at all because he never BEAT a GREAT fighter that was his own size. Hagler and Monzon did they are my top 2 middleweights ever. He's a GOOD middleweight and would give every great middleweight a hard fight but IMO he would lose.

[Scott9945]

I dont really rate Hopkins at all because he never BEAT a GREAT fighter that was his own size. Hagler and Monzon did they are my top 2 middleweights ever. He's a GOOD middleweight and would give every great middleweight a hard fight but IMO he would lose.

Just curious, but but great middleweight did Hagler beat that was truly his size? Hearns was a former welterweight just like Trinidad was.

[ИATAS]

I dont really rate Hopkins at all because he never BEAT a GREAT fighter that was his own size. Hagler and Monzon did they are my top 2 middleweights ever. He's a GOOD middleweight and would give every great middleweight a hard fight but IMO he would lose.

But Haglers best wins came over smaller opponents too, Hearns, Leonard and Duran! [/sarcasm]

[flat1985]

Just curious, but but great middleweight did Hagler beat that was truly his size? Hearns was a former welterweight just like Trinidad was.

Mugabi, http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...8684&cat=boxer

[Scott9945]

Just curious, but but great middleweight did Hagler beat that was truly his size? Hearns was a former welterweight just like Trinidad was.

Mugabi, http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...8684&cat=boxer

Sorry, but I just don't buy Mugabi as anything close to a great fighter. I might call him the most overrated fighter in my lifetime. Who is the best opponent he ever beat? Mugabi's whole career was made on his losing effort to Hagler.