He wants a tune up to get ready for Floyd?

[FLOYDISGOD]

So then why doesn't Oscar fight Cory Spinks? Cory Spinks has a style very similar to Floyd's, plus he has a jr. middle belt.

fight antonio margarito it should be an easy fight

[rebmogul]

funny how you should even mention Castillejo and Sturm whom honestly aren't noteworthy, when we talk Middleweights you do not hear their names being spoken of yet you name both and also John John Molina whom some might say ****ed him up, Sturm isn't "some might say" because Oscar actually lost the fight it's just something OTHER than his hands saved him from the loss, maybe his name or his account balance but certainly not his in-ring ability, you certainly name people who really didn't turn out that great as competitors, people who only really have names like Jorge Paez and Oba Carr, the way you use those named fighters in your post is the equivalent of me naming Roberto Duran as a notable opponent for William Joppy because Chavez was relatively the same difference, even Whitaker who whipped his ass BTW, Quartey even whipped his ass, you say such things as if JUST fighting the best is enough, what about beating them? clean cut, prime and career high opponents. who? Rafael Ruelas? Genaro Hernandez? Miguel Angel Gonzalez.. impressive.. but not to hold him at such high of a pedestal as you are doing..

getting to the point I'm just saying don't just name who he FOUGHT name who he BEAT, as far as I see it he HASN'T beaten the best of his opposition, yes he fought the best but so has Shane Mosley, however I can't recall no fights where Shane Mosley got a gift decision due to his popularity and not his punch count.. not to be a cynical ******* but seriously De La Hoya is not as great as you paint him in this post, he reached a level of fame through Boxing that is irreversible which is why till this very day even while losing to the best of his resume or at least the fighters whom had a **** and some piss to offer him he is still some sort of an "Elite" when he is not, one thing is to just be you and due to your name you can jump the ranks and build this image of being some hot shot when in reality all the guys who you faced that had some gas in their engine kicked your ass and another thing is to actually BE a great, 10 time champion? aight.. but with WHO? certainly not enough to really dap him out, name all 10 of his title wins and I bet at least 5 or 6 I can SERIOUSLY question, dumb it down to something like how people dumb down Baldomir's win against Clottey..

this is the very same reason why Floyd gets ****ted on and it's due to him facing guys who lets be real here they never stood a chance, beating Gatti for a belt and beating Baldomir and even though they really weren't THAT great of opponents since he was SOOO highly gifted, much more than them he beats them and all you hear is 5 weight class champion, you see the credential but against who doesn't appeal much to you, the monument that earning the title lays on you surpasses the whole "against who?" aspect and suddenly **** is all gravy. like it ain't no thing and **** didn't happen, like there ain't no story, like Felix Sturm's 0 wasn't just thrown aside to preserve a showdown, which he LOST BTW, against an opponent who only further enhanced that whole "I fought everybody" image, nnot to mention Sweet Pea, Quartey and some might even say Molina, I have heard that before, add that to his losses and what do you have?..

Floyd to his credit at least hasn't lost and the ONLY questionable win on his career was avenged immediately but Oscar? come on man see the reality behind the fairy tale, you can name all his opponents but it doesn't matter when the better half of them kicked his ass and for like 2 or 3 of the ones he DID beat he stole it.. I like to look at **** in a real way and Oscar to me is no big deal, his fame and his name saves him because he can be the same fighter, the same EXACT fighter with the same exact skills and wins and losses but let him have a different name with an ugg mug and he wont even be named, he would just fade into the history of the game like so many BETTER fighters in history who just so happened weren't so cover boy type.. **** is sad, no disrespect to you though, might seem like I'm being a smart ass but I'm just debating..

crills you nailed ths one brother. these are exactly the poits i have made all along.

just because odh got in the ring with just about everyone (everyone being the elite A fighters) doesn't mean ****, it is how you fought against "everyone".

the exact same thing can be SAID ABOUT many fighters vargas, mayorga and gatti being the most recognizable. these fighters have fought "everyone" also and these fighters just like odh LOST to "everyone".

the fact is truly great fighters have wins against other truly great fighters. NO ONE on this website can give me ONE NAME of any great fighter that oscar beat in their prime, not one.

oscar is nothing more than the mexican version of arturo gatti, with less heart.

[BennyST]

funny how you should even mention Castillejo and Sturm whom honestly aren't noteworthy, when we talk Middleweights you do not hear their names being spoken of yet you name both and also John John Molina whom some might say ****ed him up, Sturm isn't "some might say" because Oscar actually lost the fight it's just something OTHER than his hands saved him from the loss, maybe his name or his account balance but certainly not his in-ring ability, you certainly name people who really didn't turn out that great as competitors, people who only really have names like Jorge Paez and Oba Carr, the way you use those named fighters in your post is the equivalent of me naming Roberto Duran as a notable opponent for William Joppy because Chavez was relatively the same difference, even Whitaker who whipped his ass BTW, Quartey even whipped his ass, you say such things as if JUST fighting the best is enough, what about beating them? clean cut, prime and career high opponents. who? Rafael Ruelas? Genaro Hernandez? Miguel Angel Gonzalez.. impressive.. but not to hold him at such high of a pedestal as you are doing..

getting to the point I'm just saying don't just name who he FOUGHT name who he BEAT, as far as I see it he HASN'T beaten the best of his opposition, yes he fought the best but so has Shane Mosley, however I can't recall no fights where Shane Mosley got a gift decision due to his popularity and not his punch count.. not to be a cynical ******* but seriously De La Hoya is not as great as you paint him in this post, he reached a level of fame through Boxing that is irreversible which is why till this very day even while losing to the best of his resume or at least the fighters whom had a **** and some piss to offer him he is still some sort of an "Elite" when he is not, one thing is to just be you and due to your name you can jump the ranks and build this image of being some hot shot when in reality all the guys who you faced that had some gas in their engine kicked your ass and another thing is to actually BE a great, 10 time champion? aight.. but with WHO? certainly not enough to really dap him out, name all 10 of his title wins and I bet at least 5 or 6 I can SERIOUSLY question, dumb it down to something like how people dumb down Baldomir's win against Clottey..

this is the very same reason why Floyd gets ****ted on and it's due to him facing guys who lets be real here they never stood a chance, beating Gatti for a belt and beating Baldomir and even though they really weren't THAT great of opponents since he was SOOO highly gifted, much more than them he beats them and all you hear is 5 weight class champion, you see the credential but against who doesn't appeal much to you, the monument that earning the title lays on you surpasses the whole "against who?" aspect and suddenly **** is all gravy. like it ain't no thing and **** didn't happen, like there ain't no story, like Felix Sturm's 0 wasn't just thrown aside to preserve a showdown, which he LOST BTW, against an opponent who only further enhanced that whole "I fought everybody" image, nnot to mention Sweet Pea, Quartey and some might even say Molina, I have heard that before, add that to his losses and what do you have?..

Floyd to his credit at least hasn't lost and the ONLY questionable win on his career was avenged immediately but Oscar? come on man see the reality behind the fairy tale, you can name all his opponents but it doesn't matter when the better half of them kicked his ass and for like 2 or 3 of the ones he DID beat he stole it.. I like to look at **** in a real way and Oscar to me is no big deal, his fame and his name saves him because he can be the same fighter, the same EXACT fighter with the same exact skills and wins and losses but let him have a different name with an ugg mug and he wont even be named, he would just fade into the history of the game like so many BETTER fighters in history who just so happened weren't so cover boy type.. **** is sad, no disrespect to you though, might seem like I'm being a smart ass but I'm just debating..

No, no, no man. You're missing my point. I don't care for De La Hoya that much. He's a good fighter and thats all good. What I was arguing is when someone called him a coward. I was pointing out that no one who has fought every big name consistently in every division he has been in could be a coward.

I don't care about his wins and losses. That to me is irrelevant to his being a coward. It's relevant if I was going to assess his greatness as a fighter and where he belongs in history but i don't really care for him enough to do that.

In terms of what you're actually saying about him, well, I agree with most of it. Some of it I don't but .... thats beside the point. As a fighter he is no where near the best of any of the recent era's. He was a good champion and will be an HOF'er and he did win some very good legitimate big fights, but, what I was getting at is that to question his actual resume and the names on it is silly. You can't go over his resume and call him a coward. Like it or not, he has fought the biggest names and hardest fights out there at the time in whatever division he was in. He won some and lost some on about equal footing. He would have been a very great fighter if he had stayed in his natural division/s around 135 to 147.

Anyway, I wasn't questioning his status as an actual fighter. Not at all. I was simply pointing out that what he has done and who he has fought (not taking into account wins and losses) has not been done by anyone else in the sport today. That really is only because of his ridiculous image as the poster golden boy for boxing and his promotional value.

[rebmogul]

No, no, no man. You're missing my point. I don't care for De La Hoya that much. He's a good fighter and thats all good. What I was arguing is when someone called him a coward. I was pointing out that no one who has fought every big name consistently in every division he has been in could be a coward.

I don't care about his wins and losses. That to me is irrelevant to his being a coward. It's relevant if I was going to assess his greatness as a fighter and where he belongs in history but i don't really care for him enough to do that.

In terms of what you're actually saying about him, well, I agree with most of it. Some of it I don't but .... thats beside the point. As a fighter he is no where near the best of any of the recent era's. He was a good champion and will be an HOF'er and he did win some very good legitimate big fights, but, what I was getting at is that to question his actual resume and the names on it is silly. You can't go over his resume and call him a coward. Like it or not, he has fought the biggest names and hardest fights out there at the time in whatever division he was in. He won some and lost some on about equal footing. He would have been a very great fighter if he had stayed in his natural division/s around 135 to 147.

Anyway, I wasn't questioning his status as an actual fighter. Not at all. I was simply pointing out that what he has done and who he has fought (not taking into account wins and losses) has not been done by anyone else in the sport today. That really is only because of his ridiculous image as the poster golden boy for boxing and his promotional value.

you make some excellent points....

[rebmogul]

No, no, no man. You're missing my point. I don't care for De La Hoya that much. He's a good fighter and thats all good. What I was arguing is when someone called him a coward. I was pointing out that no one who has fought every big name consistently in every division he has been in could be a coward.

I don't care about his wins and losses. That to me is irrelevant to his being a coward. It's relevant if I was going to assess his greatness as a fighter and where he belongs in history but i don't really care for him enough to do that.

In terms of what you're actually saying about him, well, I agree with most of it. Some of it I don't but .... thats beside the point. As a fighter he is no where near the best of any of the recent era's. He was a good champion and will be an HOF'er and he did win some very good legitimate big fights, but, what I was getting at is that to question his actual resume and the names on it is silly. You can't go over his resume and call him a coward. Like it or not, he has fought the biggest names and hardest fights out there at the time in whatever division he was in. He won some and lost some on about equal footing. He would have been a very great fighter if he had stayed in his natural division/s around 135 to 147.

Anyway, I wasn't questioning his status as an actual fighter. Not at all. I was simply pointing out that what he has done and who he has fought (not taking into account wins and losses) has not been done by anyone else in the sport today. That really is only because of his ridiculous image as the poster golden boy for boxing and his promotional value.

but i do disagree with your last paragraph. the rest of your post seems accurate to me....

[niceguy45]

So then why doesn't Oscar fight Cory Spinks? Cory Spinks has a style very similar to Floyd's, plus he has a jr. middle belt.

like i said before maybe dlh vs pbf II is gonna be @ 147lbs
forbes would be a tune-up and also a process to get down to welter weight by september

[rebmogul]

like i said before maybe dlh vs pbf II is gonna be @ 147lbs
forbes would be a tune-up and also a process to get down to welter weight by september

theya re fighting at a ctach weight of 152. what other fighter in history has taken a tune up fight with a fighter TWO weight classes smaller than the one he will be fighting in? this aint a tune up, hell, it aint even a sparring session.

oscar's a joke and a coward...

[Dorian]

he's scared

[Vladimir303]

are you really questioning his resume? him fighting people such as Hopkins shows he never ducked anyone. I can say he beat Trinidad and is 1-1 against Mosely, now his record dont say that, but its obvious to most, i mean just look at all the world champions he fought, Oscar never took the "easy fight" is all i was saying.

Oscar is ducking Forrest and Winky, two guys who each have 2 victories over the guy he lost to twice.

Enuff said.

[Vladimir303]

The thing is he fought EVERYBODY, who did he not fight when he was at the top, i guess you can maybe say Winky Wright and thats just one guy. Hes lost fights to "SO SO fighters"? since when did Hopkins, Trinidad, Mosely, or Mayweather become so so?

Fernando Vargas also fougth everybody..............but did he beat anybody????

That's what makes a resume a great resume. Reality check for you.