Sugar Ray Leonard vs Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[-Swizzy-]

honestly bro... u really gata go get some leonard dvds...

ill start with the most obvious.... footwork is ALL leonard

hand speed? SRL was one of the fastest combo punchers pound for pound ever

defense goes to floyd w/out a doubt

athleticism is debatable... but id give it to leonard, cuz he did more awkward and amazing things...

7 - 5 srl

I've seen plent of sugar ray and plenty of pbf. I think its pbf hands down. I gave it a SD really out of respect for sugar ray cuz I like him but I think it would be more like a UD for mayweather. I mean, sugar ray's head movement wouldn't be fast enough to avoid floyd's punches. I've seen guys with lesser hand speed connect with sugar ray easy. when sugar ray is comming in with his hands to his chest, floyd would get him with a sniper left hook. sugar ray is 5'10 and mayweather 5'8 so size doesn't really do all that much in this fight cuz mayweather has an incredible reach anyway.

[-Swizzy-]

sugar ray has the combinations but mayweather has the hand speed. if mayweather CHOSE to throw combos, you would see his true hand speed. but sugar ray's combos aren't as effective as they are nice to watch.

[THE REED]

its hard for me to really concentrate on what you write...

all i see is millie

your killin yourself here

[-Swizzy-]

this is true hand-speed before floyd broke his hand

[-Swizzy-]

its hard for me to really concentrate on what you write...

all i see is millie

your killin yourself here

lol, all apart of my plan.

[pbftxrs316]

i'm going with floyd on this one by ud because his footwork is comparable to leonard's, but floyd's footwork is better timed than ray's was. ray was fast as **** on his feet, but not as complex as floyd was. and let's be honest, ray was fast as ****, but at what weight would they fight at? because ray is arguably the fastest puncher of his generation, but when it comes to ACCUARCY, FLOYD ****S ON RAY IN THIS DEPARTMENT AND THIS IS CRUCIAL TO MENTION. and ray was accurate but the thing about floyd is, is that he could fight at any speed and he incorporated evey attribute there is to have in a great boxer better than ray did. floyd was a much more complex fighter, which imo would be too much for leonard who was as dynamic as floyd but not as masterful as floyd, which is why floyd's defense would frustrate the **** out of leonard. floyd, again with this word, is the most methodical fighter of the last 6 decades, meaning he could keep you off guard while doing nothing basically. but, he was just as fast as ray but had a better tempo and he could also change speeds while being defensive and going back to his offensive work, something that leonard really never showed me. floyd's brilliance in the ring stems from his mindset and complex style. he blocked punches better than leonard, he dodged punches better than leonard, and he threw sharper more accurate punches than leonard but at a pace that kept his opponents confused and frustrated. ray was faster as far as handspeed when it came to combos, he was more powerful, this we all know, he was very elusive in the ring, i mean, he was a great fighter, the greatest of his era imo, but floyd just has a mastery about his style and he put everything together better, which is why he has never really been tested like ray was, and to be fair, ray had a better era than floyd did, and had bigger names and greater fighters to fight against than floyd did imo, but floyd's skills are one of a kind like robinson's. patterson's, and whitaker's, and jones's imo. he, however, was more methocial than them all except roninson imo. that's how great he is/was. he could beat a speedy wizard like leonard and could do so in a 15 round fight. he would block/dodge a lot of rays's shots, but ray would catch him, but i couldn't see him hurting floyd ever.

another thing is, floyd went to the body/head better as far as incorporating it into a combination. he was also more accurate. leonard's best trait was his dynamic style and elusive movment as well as his power and amazing speed. floyd's best traits were/is his defensive, controlled tempo, speed, accuracy, but most importantly, his brilliant/complex style which would be too much for leonard imo. 116-112 for floyd or 177-111 for floyd, i don't see anything less then this, but this is only if it was a 12 round fight, they both are ampadetric, and are in very great shape so i could see them going 15 rounds, and floyd getting the ud.

[Jim Jeffries]

An ATG WW against someone who was at his best at 130 - 135. Floyd's defence keeps him from getting stopped early, but I honestly don't see this going past about the 8th or 9th round. If Chop Chop Corley can hurt Floyd as bad as he did, just imagine what SRL would do to him.

[BennyST]

I've seen plent of sugar ray and plenty of pbf. I think its pbf hands down. I gave it a SD really out of respect for sugar ray cuz I like him but I think it would be more like a UD for mayweather. I mean, sugar ray's head movement wouldn't be fast enough to avoid floyd's punches. I've seen guys with lesser hand speed connect with sugar ray easy. when sugar ray is comming in with his hands to his chest, floyd would get him with a sniper left hook. sugar ray is 5'10 and mayweather 5'8 so size doesn't really do all that much in this fight cuz mayweather has an incredible reach anyway.

I'm actually surprised someone could be this ignorant...

How does Floyd have better footwork? That is the most ignorant statement made by anyone this year. Mayweathers footwork is incomparable to Leonards! His handspeed is close but still not as fast nor does he have as good combination punching. Leonard is also more powerful, has a better jab and also has the greater ring generalship. He also has the necessary fighters instinct which Floyd lacks to a degree. The only thing that Floyd does have going for him is his defense. His defense though is geared for infighting which is why it works so well against guys like Hatton etc. Against someone with a lightning fast jab and who fights completely on the outside, it is not as effective especially when they are faster and taller (see Jones vs Toney).

So Mayweather has better athleticism? How? What an absurd thing to say. How would Mayweather land with a 'sniper' left hook when a guy like Hearns, who is as fast, has a better left hook and has a much greater reach advantage, couldn't? Even if it did land, it certainly wouldn't put him away nor would it even hurt him and it would be too inconsistent to be of any effect throughout the fight.

Leonard would pick Mayweather off with his greater movement and stinging jab most of the night and flurry in close with solid combinations like a nut case to offset Mayweathers good infighting skills.

But, the big thing here is that Leonard has fought guys as good as Mayweather and won. Mayweather has not fought anyone close to Leonards skill as of yet, nor will he in his whole career, so everything points to a Leonard victory. You're just too blind to see it behind Mayweathers swinging nuts.

[Fox McCloud]

An ATG WW against someone who was at his best at 130 - 135. Floyd's defence keeps him from getting stopped early, but I honestly don't see this going past about the 8th or 9th round. If Chop Chop Corley can hurt Floyd as bad as he did, just imagine what SRL would do to him.

I very much doubt Floyd would fight Leonard the way he fought Corley. He seriously fought like Arturo Gatti in that fight. All offense, no defense.

I do agree that Leonard would vastly oversize him.

It might just be that Leonard was too big for Floyd to beat him.

Floyd vs. Duran would be an interesting matchup at 135.

[BennyST]

i'm going with floyd on this one by ud because his footwork is comparable to leonard's, but floyd's footwork is better timed than ray's was. ray was fast as **** on his feet, but not as complex as floyd was. and let's be honest, ray was fast as ****, but at what weight would they fight at? because ray is arguably the fastest puncher of his generation, but when it comes to ACCUARCY, FLOYD ****S ON RAY IN THIS DEPARTMENT AND THIS IS CRUCIAL TO MENTION. and ray was accurate but the thing about floyd is, is that he could fight at any speed and he incorporated evey attribute there is to have in a great boxer better than ray did. floyd was a much more complex fighter, which imo would be too much for leonard who was as dynamic as floyd but not as masterful as floyd, which is why floyd's defense would frustrate the **** out of leonard. floyd, again with this word, is the most methodical fighter of the last 6 decades, meaning he could keep you off guard while doing nothing basically. but, he was just as fast as ray but had a better tempo and he could also change speeds while being defensive and going back to his offensive work, something that leonard really never showed me. floyd's brilliance in the ring stems from his mindset and complex style. he blocked punches better than leonard, he dodged punches better than leonard, and he threw sharper more accurate punches than leonard but at a pace that kept his opponents confused and frustrated. ray was faster as far as handspeed when it came to combos, he was more powerful, this we all know, he was very elusive in the ring, i mean, he was a great fighter, the greatest of his era imo, but floyd just has a mastery about his style and he put everything together better, which is why he has never really been tested like ray was, and to be fair, ray had a better era than floyd did, and had bigger names and greater fighters to fight against than floyd did imo, but floyd's skills are one of a kind like robinson's. patterson's, and whitaker's, and jones's imo. he, however, was more methocial than them all except roninson imo. that's how great he is/was. he could beat a speedy wizard like leonard and could do so in a 15 round fight. he would block/dodge a lot of rays's shots, but ray would catch him, but i couldn't see him hurting floyd ever.

another thing is, floyd went to the body/head better as far as incorporating it into a combination. he was also more accurate. leonard's best trait was his dynamic style and elusive movment as well as his power and amazing speed. floyd's best traits were/is his defensive, controlled tempo, speed, accuracy, but most importantly, his brilliant/complex style which would be too much for leonard imo. 116-112 for floyd or 177-111 for floyd, i don't see anything less then this, but this is only if it was a 12 round fight, they both are ampadetric, and are in very great shape so i could see them going 15 rounds, and floyd getting the ud.

Ok, now I have seen it all.