Hardest part of being Calzaghe fan?

[Vladimir303]

lol i am not gonna carry on with you, You need to wipe Ur mouth, too much **** is dripping out of it.

You european stans like to think Joe is great. All I'm saying is..........he is not.

The word great is being thrown around too lightly these days. Sven Ottke is considered the greatest of all time right next to Ali in Germany that is.

Somebody has to set you straight.

[Degsy]

You european stans like to think Joe is great. All I'm saying is..........he is not.

The word great is being thrown around too lightly these days. Sven Ottke is considered the greatest of all time right next to Ali in Germany that is.

Somebody has to set you straight.

Sven is an East German hero, who through political influence of the highest level (my theory) got to keep a title as long as he fought in Germany. East Germans are still not fully integrated into the 'new' Germany, their football team dissappeared, their atheletes were exposed as the drugs cheats we all new they were, so only Ottke was left . In the old eastern bloc sport used to give the people a false feeling of superiority (look at Cuba at its boxing pedigree in the amatuers) there was no way Germany was gonna let someone who took the people's minds off the economic **** they were in loose. I reckon if Mundine had finished Ottke off in that fight, he would have 'failed' a drugs test (and he may be an ******* but he's a clean one)

Thats my conspiracy theory for Ottke out of the way!!

[Unseen]

You european stans like to think Joe is great. All I'm saying is..........he is not.

The word great is being thrown around too lightly these days. Sven Ottke is considered the greatest of all time right next to Ali in Germany that is.

Somebody has to set you straight.

sometimes you do not need to have done something to prove you are the best. america is probably the world power in terms of arms right? does that mean they will fight russia or another big nuclear country to prove it?

although calzaghe's resume is not the best, neither are a lot of boxers either. it's not like a league system where every boxer in the division is put with another.

there are many variants in boxing that have made big fights and not made big fights. money, promotoers and ego's have a huge part to play. also the era too.

for me i feel a boxer has a good 5-7 year peak. sometimes thats not enough time for ebery fighter to meet. espeically considering losing a match could mean losing your stock if you are undefeated.

that being said, i know calz is a great fighter but hasnt had the fights. even if he did fight roy or hops in their prime and his, he may have a lost, but be much more respected.

[DrewWoodside]

Didn't answer my question ?
How many American fighters have a title they won 10 years ago ?
How many boxers have bums as you like to call them on there resume ? most champs have lesser fighters on there record, your just picking on Joe cause you don't like him.
Its the same when people moan about Joe not going out of Wales to fight, why the **** should he, he champ ffs, Mayweather hasn't left America and he gets his **** ****** all the time by fans.

Of course few people can manage to hold on to a title that long. Most fighters FIGHT! Hatton would still have his O if he didn't have the stones to fight. Holding a title or being undefeated doesn't mean anything if your opposition stinks. I'm starting a thread to rank Calzaghe's opposition.

[DrewWoodside]

sometimes you do not need to have done something to prove you are the best. america is probably the world power in terms of arms right? does that mean they will fight russia or another big nuclear country to prove it?

although calzaghe's resume is not the best, neither are a lot of boxers either. it's not like a league system where every boxer in the division is put with another.

there are many variants in boxing that have made big fights and not made big fights. money, promotoers and ego's have a huge part to play. also the era too.

for me i feel a boxer has a good 5-7 year peak. sometimes thats not enough time for ebery fighter to meet. espeically considering losing a match could mean losing your stock if you are undefeated.

that being said, i know calz is a great fighter but hasnt had the fights. even if he did fight roy or hops in their prime and his, he may have a lost, but be much more respected.

I absolutely respect fighters who don't overprotect their O. More respect to a man with multiple losses and dangerous opponents than a man who constantly has to defend his "legacy."

[oovavu]

If calzaghe does lose which UK fighter are you going to start to **** on next? because they seems to be a reccuring theme on these forums. The fact is yes Calz could have fought better opposition but there wasn't anybody in his division to put up that great of a threat. When you start moving up and down divisions you greatly reduce you're longevity, and for calzaghe not doing that is probably the best thing he could have done as he is still top of his game at 35 years old, he hasn't had to adapt for a lack of speed or for losing his chin as he's still as good as he was 10 years ago albeit with abit less power due to his wrists.

Hopkins and Calzaghes career are pretty similar if you look at it both 10 year division champions both fought iffy opponents but both have a few good wins the only real difference is that hopkins in alot further along in his career and to be honest he's suffered abit because of that.

[S1MANC]

If calzaghe does lose which UK fighter are you going to start to **** on next? because they seems to be a reccuring theme on these forums. The fact is yes Calz could have fought better opposition but there wasn't anybody in his division to put up that great of a threat. When you start moving up and down divisions you greatly reduce you're longevity, and for calzaghe not doing that is probably the best thing he could have done as he is still top of his game at 35 years old, he hasn't had to adapt for a lack of speed or for losing his chin as he's still as good as he was 10 years ago albeit with abit less power due to his wrists.

Hopkins and Calzaghes career are pretty similar if you look at it both 10 year division champions both fought iffy opponents but both have a few good wins the only real difference is that hopkins in alot further along in his career and to be honest he's suffered abit because of that.

Good Point.

But in all honesty where ever you see Mr Warren you'll see low threat opponents.

But no discredit to Calzaghe as I feel he is a true champion even though he hasn't felt the urge to dabble in other weight divisions. But with Hopkins he doesn't really gain much as if he beats him the critics will just reply with "Hopkins was on the wrong side of the hill"... I think for Calzaghe to get the respect he deserves and craves he'll have to do more than beat todays Hopkins... But with saying that if its another "lacy" landslide then it'll be a very interesting time on these forums the following morning but then question arises who next?

[QuCongee]

Sometimes I don't know which are worse, Floyd haters or Joe haters.

[DrewWoodside]

If calzaghe does lose which UK fighter are you going to start to **** on next? because they seems to be a reccuring theme on these forums. The fact is yes Calz could have fought better opposition but there wasn't anybody in his division to put up that great of a threat. When you start moving up and down divisions you greatly reduce you're longevity, and for calzaghe not doing that is probably the best thing he could have done as he is still top of his game at 35 years old, he hasn't had to adapt for a lack of speed or for losing his chin as he's still as good as he was 10 years ago albeit with abit less power due to his wrists.

Hopkins and Calzaghes career are pretty similar if you look at it both 10 year division champions both fought iffy opponents but both have a few good wins the only real difference is that hopkins in alot further along in his career and to be honest he's suffered abit because of that.

I don't **** on UK fighters. I criticize Mayweather's Welterweight campain(not his prewelter career), and i'm a big fan of Ricky Hatton b/c he makes moves that put him at risk.. fighting in America/jumping up in weight.. It's the low risk fighters with the big followings that generally recieve the most flack on these forums. So know, this is not some conspiracy to bash European fighters.