Should Tyson get Credit for Beating Larry Holmes?

[Scott9945]

Yes he was out of prime but it wasn't like he was totally shot, Tyson was the first man to ever stop Larry Holmes.

Holmes went on to beat an undefeated Ray Mercer after that and gave a good account of himself in his fights with Holyfield and McCall considering he was out of his prime.

Not because he just beat him, but he stopped him when a Prime Holyfield couldn't and a fight with McCall that could have gone either way.

IMO he got robbed in both of his fights with Spinks

Holmes has always said he didn't get enough time to train for Tyson, that's why he looked better in his comeback later.. But you still can't totally dimiss such a convincing KO win over an all time great heavyweight.

[2501]

Lol I dont think Floyd will stop Oscar if thats what your getting at. This thread about giving credit to Larry Holmes for having one hell of a chin and giving Tyson for being the only guy to stop him.

Every rose has a thorn

[Parody]

Yes, b/c of the way Tyson beat him. It was a total destruction of a former world champion who was out of his prime but was no way 'shot'...

Excellent post Boston. Thats what im getting at, He had two losses that could have gone either way and had never been stopped in the past, nor after his fight with Tyson.

[Jim Jeffries]

When the **** did I say he shouldn't get any credit? Quote me on that please.

A poster said Duran was in his prime and I was laughing about that. The whole arguement was about how he thought Duran was even near his prime.

The Duran fight was 7 months after an impressive 15 rd performance against Marvin Hagler. And he was still only 32, not prime but definitely near it.

The Holmes fight was almost 2 years after back to back losses to a light heavyweight that weighed under 200 lbs the first fight. And Holmes was 37 and the heaviest he had ever been in the ring at that point.

No comparison ........... at all.

[Parody]

and Michael Spinks got knocked out in a single round by Tyson, was he scared to fight or what?

[Ironside]

Read my first first I said he was out of his prime but prior to that he had two fights with Spinks that could have gone either way and had never been stopped nor was stopped after the Tyson fight by any other fighter.

Yea I know, but what I was trying to say is, Tyson should get credit for KOing Holmes to some extent, but like I said, he had been inactive for a long time, fought Tyson right away with no tuneup, and that can take a toll on a fighter. You can really make an argument for either side.

[TheGreatA]

It's a solid win on Tyson's record but not a great win. Holmes was coming back after two losses to Michael Spinks of all people and years of inactivity.

When he came back later he had been training more and fought more before he took on top contenders. If Holmes had fought a few cans and a few contenders before taking on Tyson he would've done a lot better.

Tyson's best wins were over Ruddock and Tucker, those were two prime top contenders. Spinks and Holmes were solid wins but not his best.

[Parody]

The Duran fight was 7 months after an impressive 15 rd performance against Marvin Hagler. And he was still only 32, not prime but definitely near it.

The Holmes fight was almost 2 years after back to back losses to a light heavyweight that weighed under 200 lbs the first fight. And Holmes was 37 and the heaviest he had ever been in the ring at that point.

No comparison ........... at all.

As I said I was laughing at the fact that the poster thought Duran was in his Prime, its just makes you think how old are the average posters around here. Hearns always had the style to beat him, It was just pissing me off that new boxing fans that just know fighters by their names and say whatever they feel like.

What difference does 2 pounds make can I ask? Holmes before the Tyson fight was at an average of 223 lbs. He was Fat and out of shape if you boxrec your way through...Back to back loses to one of the greatest light heavyweights in Michael Spinks, fights that could have gone either way Holmes was robbed in the first fight and the second fight could have gone either way

The point is Duran was stopped before the Hearns fight but Holmes was never stopped before that fight, neither stopped after the fight with Tyson.

[Jim Jeffries]

He was fat and out of shape because I saw the fight and saw the big roll of fat on his belly, dude. And Holmes was at his best at around 215 - 220, but he had clearly lost muscle mass in the Tyson fight and replaced it with fat.

[TheGreatA]

The point is Duran was stopped before the Hearns fight but Holmes was never stopped before that fight, neither stopped after the fight with Tyson.

So you count No Mas as a stoppage win (comparable to the Hearns fight)? Duran had never been knocked out and no one had even come close to stopping him with punches, not Hagler nor Leonard.

I'm starting to think you are the one boxrecing your way through.
Just joking but come on.

Also when you lose to a friggin' LHW you are DONE. No matter how close the fights were, Holmes in his prime would've knocked Spinks out.