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  • tredh
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    #11
    Truth be told yes I want to see PBF fight the so called top contenders and I would like to see him fight Cotto. But at the sametime Williams isn't ready for that fight. Margarito just isn't good enough and I don't think that would be a good fight. A unskilled fighter vs. PBF just isn't a good fight look at PBF past fights against unskilled fighters for prime examples. Clottey continuing to fight at WW is bull****. Its cheating to come into a fight for a WW title weighing 170 lbs.
    If Hagler had never fought Leonard we might have been treated to a few more Hagler fights instead of seeing him retire. Looking at the past Leonard was not as critized for never fighting Aaron Pryor. As a matter of fact Leonard flat out said at a press conference something along the lines of "I am not going to fight Aaron Pryor because I would beat the **** out of Aaron Pryor" and it was accepted by most.
    Speaking in terms of those Ali fights it was something personal against Frazier and against Foreman he wanted something that was right fully his that had been taken away outside the ring I believe. He had personal reasons beside monetary reasons to take those fights.

    What's different about what PBF is doing now than what he did a few fights ago. PBF said if the money is right he would fight and he fought Hatton. Nobody can tell a man whats the right amount of money for him to accept for anything a man does in his life. That is the way I look at it. PBF said he had 3 fights in 13 months he can't take a break to hopefully let Cotto get a bigger name for himself in his eyes and then take the fight. If he truly retires without fighting Cotto yes PBF can be critized by all and it can be said that Cotto was the one that got away from PBF when it could have and should have happened.

    I never knock a man's hustle. I can disagree with it all day long but I can't knock it because its that man's hustle not mine.

    Whats good for the goose isn't always good for the gander.

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    • THE REED
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      #12
      Originally posted by IMDAZED
      Stop right there.

      There about 5-6 welterweights that would defeat Ricky Hatton - hell, Louis Collazo did it. Second, let's stop acting like Floyd did something by beating Oscar. I repeat, when was the last time Oscar De La Hoya had a significant win?
      oscar is one of the most proven fighters of our era... and he had the jr middleweight wbc belt... floyd wanted the belt, floyd wanted to beat the best figther of his era.... and he wanted to make 25 mill.... 3 birds with one stone... u cant take that away from him... and you can say what you want about ricky hatton but he was 43-0 when floyd faced him... floyds only 31... hes got a long ways to go, and absolutely i wanna see him fight the best fighters out there.... but il be ok if it doesnt happen by next thursday

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      • IMDAZED
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        #13
        Originally posted by reedickyaluss
        oscar is one of the most proven fighters of our era... and he had the jr middleweight wbc belt... floyd wanted the belt, floyd wanted to beat the best figther of his era.... and he wanted to make 25 mill.... 3 birds with one stone... u cant take that away from him... and you can say what you want about ricky hatton but he was 43-0 when floyd faced him... floyds only 31... hes got a long ways to go, and absolutely i wanna see him fight the best fighters out there.... but il be ok if it doesnt happen by next thursday
        Him being proven and having a belt means little. He was a semi-retired fighter who had one win five years (not counting Sturm). Furthermore, he was HANDED the WBC belt coming off multiple losses. Point blank, if this was 1999 I'd hear you. But it wasn't. It was Floyd Mayweather vs. a ONCE-GREAT FIGHTER. Period. Come on, man...are you serious??

        And Ricky Hatton should've been 42-1. I sat ringside and watched Louis Colazzo batter himd own the stretch, drop him in the final round (and it not called) and then get robbed of the decision. Hatton had already been exposed at welter. Not to take away from Floyd's brilliance but if those two victories did it for you then standards have really dropped.

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        • sonofisis
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          #14
          Originally posted by moofo
          1.This is exactly what I don't understand.
          You say Floyd has "Conquered" 147 , but there are questions unanswered whether you like it or not.
          Cotto & Williams are much more Dangerous than Hatton and as a Boxing fan I don't understand why you don't want to see these fights happen.
          We all know Baldomir was not the Best at 147 even though he held the Belts.
          2.Floyd fought a shot Gatti & a shot Mitchell.
          ,Bruseles etc..
          3.SRL is welcome to his OPINION but it doesn't mean it is sacred and written in stone.
          Floyd beat Hatton outside his weight class , although admittedly very well.
          The fight with Oscar hardly set the world on fire with excitement and many consider the result debatable.
          SRL has it right where he says there are more fights to come.
          Well lets hope those fights are against the Top contenders.

          Tell me why you don't want Floyd to fight Cotto or Williams?
          As a Boxing fan I don't understand?
          1. Of course he conquered 147. He beat the lineal champ and the #1 ranked in Judah at the time, who was former champ. Mosley wasn't at that weight when he conquered it, Cotto was new and barley coming up in weight, and Floyd beat the best fighters put in front of him to take the Welter Weight lineage, passed down from Pernell Whitaker. Ws Hatton a WW contender? Yes, if Floyd is a WW champ since they both fought 90% of their careers below that weight, and Floyd fought the vast majority of his fights at a weight lower than Hatton and is probably the smallest so-called WW out there. This is why you have a p4p system and why Floyd is a p4p fighter who can move up at will and beat you. He's not defined by weight classes, he walks around at hat he walks around at, regardless.


          2. Floyd didn't fight Gatti or Brussels at Welter Weight. Please increase your boxing IQ. The way he beat them though was more impressive than anybody else who beat them, which carries weight. Also, Brussels isn't exactly a bum, just not a name. He's a part of the Cotto camp, actually and Gatti is decent. I wouldn't say he was "shot" since even in his prime, Floyd would have done the same. Like when Manfredy beat Gatti's ass only to get his ass handed to him by Floyd.

          3. Well of course I respect a legend's opinion over yours. Someone with years of boxing experience who has no boxingscene agenda or any feeling towards Floyd. Someone who's been watching the up and comers since Floyd was in the Olympics. Why wouldn't I respect his opinion over yours? You have an atg in SRL saying he's the best of this era, DLH saying it, Mosley saying it, Hopkins saying it, and you think that your biased views hold any weight?

          Floyd beat Hatton outside HIS weight class. HIS, as in "Floyd's. Hatton is not naturally smaller, that is the most ****ty and repetitive excuse I keep hearing.

          One guy has 30 something fights below 140, and Hatton has 43 at 140 and above, walks around heavier, and is bulkier. You are being ridiculous now. The fight with Oscar doesn't have to be entertaining and the win isn't debatable since no one is debating it. It was a clear victory and all of the writers say the same. Regardless, Oscar is a HOFer, who was in great shape, bigger than he was, and stronger with a great Jab. Still got outclassed. Which brings us back to the words of a legend:

          "Floyd's number one this era. He's proved that, against Oscar, now against Ricky Hatton. He's fought the best fighters of his era, so that puts him up there. There's a few more fights left in Floyd, and bigger and better things to come."
          Last edited by sonofisis; 01-11-2008, 10:27 AM.

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          • beauty
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            #15
            What amazes me is how unrealistic some of you are. The man has fought for the last 20 damn years!!! Some of those complaining have not even been alive that long.

            Floyd says he needs a vacation. That is a personal decision and obviously, he deserves one. Floyd could beat everyone in the world, and there will still be complaints about him, who was too easy, who the ref. helped him beat, a new young contender he should fight, etc. It will never cease, so I commend him for having some balls and saying "I'm taking a vacation."

            You all need to get over it. He's on vacation!

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              #16
              Originally posted by sonofisis
              1. Of course he conquered 147. He beat the lineal champ and the #1 ranked in Judah at the time, who was former champ. Mosley wasn't at that weight when he conquered it, Cotto was new and barley coming up in weight, and Floyd beat the best fighters put in front of him to take the Welter Weight lineage, passed down from Pernell Whitaker. Ws Hatton a WW contender? Yes, if Floyd is a WW champ since they both fought 90% of their careers below that weight, and Floyd fought the vast majority of his fights at a weight lower than Hatton and is probably the smallest so-called WW out there. This is why you have a p4p system and why Floyd is a p4p fighter who can move up at will and beat you. He's not defined by weight classes, he walks around at hat he walks around at, regardless.


              2. Floyd didn't fight Gatti or Brussels at Welter Weight. Please increase your boxing IQ. The way he beat them though was more impressive than anybody else who beat them, which carries weight. Also, Brussels isn't exactly a bum, just not a name. He's a part of the Cotto camp, actually and Gatti is decent. I wouldn't say he was "shot" since even in his prime, Floyd would have done the same. Like when Manfredy beat Gatti's ass only to get his ass handed to him by Floyd.

              3. Well of course I respect a legend's opinion over yours. Someone with years of boxing experience who has no boxingscene agenda or any feeling towards Floyd. Someone who's been watching the up and comers since Floyd was in the Olympics. Why wouldn't I respect his opinion over yours? You have an atg in SRL saying he's the best of this era, DLH saying it, Mosley saying it, Hopkins saying it, and you think that your biased views hold any weight?

              Floyd beat Hatton outside HIS weight class. HIS, as in "Floyd's. Hatton is not naturally smaller, that is the most ****ty and repetitive excuse I keep hearing.

              One guy has 30 something fights below 140, and Hatton has 43 at 140 and above, walks around heavier, and is bulkier. You are being ridiculous now. The fight with Oscar doesn't have to be entertaining and the win isn't debatable since no one is debating it. It was a clear victory and all of the writers say the same. Regardless, Oscar is a HOF, who was a great shape, bigger than he was, and stronger with a great Jab. Still got outclassed. Which brings us back to the words of a legend:

              "Floyd's number one this era. He's proved that, against Oscar, now against Ricky Hatton. He's fought the best fighters of his era, so that puts him up there. There's a few more fights left in Floyd, and bigger and better things to come."

              holy freakin

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              • moofo
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                #17
                Still people MISS THE POINT.
                Why don't you want Floyd to fight?
                How can you be a fan and not want to see that Guy in action against the best competition?

                This is what needs answering.

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                • beauty
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                  #18
                  People down Judah, but he is still ranked as a top welter!

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by moofo
                    Still people MISS THE POINT.
                    Why don't you want Floyd to fight?
                    How can you be a fan and not want to see that Guy in action against the best competition?

                    This is what needs answering.



                    Are you serious? His therapist said his body is in bad shape. He said he is tired. He said he wanted time to rest. THAT IS WHY. He is tired.

                    I would love to see him run over Cotto, as he would. However, not prematurely. Hopefully, he will fight him when he is healthy and ready and not a minute sooner.

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                    • tredh
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by moofo
                      Still people MISS THE POINT.
                      Why don't you want Floyd to fight?
                      How can you be a fan and not want to see that Guy in action against the best competition?

                      This is what needs answering.
                      Who said they didn't want to see him fight?

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