How does wright make the pound for pound top 10?

[Dick-Sucker]

1. Mundine knocking Soliman out doesn't make Winky's decision victory any less legitimate.

2. Taylor was undefeated and Wright fought to a "draw" with him.

3. The Quartey victory (much like the Soliman victory) doesn't mean anything, it is just the gap in between the big fights, and Winky didn't lose.

4. He barely lost to Hopkins... it's not like he got blown out, and it was at a weight Wright had never fought at before.

Anyways, the reason he was so high is because he dominated Trinidad more completely than Hopkins did.

All I'm saying is that you can't knock the #3 P4P fighter in the sport off the charts because he lost a razor thin decision to another P4P fighter.

Please explain how the Mundine result doesn't diminish his performance against Soliman. Your argument probably holds significance, but just explain it to me mate.

[Dick-Sucker]

My ass... Winky is dead and gone from the P4P list if he loses again, close loss or not.

If he looses to a big name by two rounds. Even an over prime big name. He will still be there in the top 20. You can say he won't, but he will be in a lot of peoples list.

And if Bute, Abraham, Mundine or Sturm win big they won't be rated in the top 20, im sure. and a lot of other top notch fighters who aren't American will have the same problems.

[CH0ZEN]

Hey I'm Canadian and I think Bute is a pure Savage and a guy to Contend with in the future along with Abraham, absolutely no doubt. But Winky is the kinda guy that, if he has a really good training camp, he could possibly put on a boxing clinic... I wouldn't count him as dead yet in the P4P world, but if he loses his next fight he will then be surpassed IMO...

[revs1227]

most of those ppl were not at his proper weight ...at 154 winky is unbeatable ..moving up 2 170 2 face hopkins was a mistake ...winky coulda won that ...but honestly he beat most of those ppl

[Nwahs !!]

Sure Winky has done some great things over his career, and he is a moden star of the sport.

But P4P = Fighters that would win at any division

I can name a lot that would beat him, Pavlik, Abraham, Sturm, Kessler, Calzaghe, Bute, Mundine, Hopkins(he did)

Winky is good. But hes not as great as everyone says, anymore. Hes past his best. Sure he was high up P4P ranks before. But now hes past his prime.

- P4P rankings are inaccurate. By the end of 2008, we will realise this and the P4P list will be totally changed, except with Floyd 1st and Joe C 2nd. The other spots in the top 20 will be big changers.

Dude, Winky is a 154lb fighter. p4p doesn't mean you would win at any division. and last I checked, 154lb - 174lb is a huge jump in weight. If you cannot appreciate the skills that Wright has, please watch more boxing.

[CH0ZEN]

Dude, Winky is a 154lb fighter. p4p doesn't mean you would win at any division. and last I checked, 154lb - 174lb is a huge jump in weight. If you cannot appreciate the skills that Wright has, please watch more boxing.

Well put...

[Dick-Sucker]

Dude, Winky is a 154lb fighter. p4p doesn't mean you would win at any division. and last I checked, 154lb - 174lb is a huge jump in weight. If you cannot appreciate the skills that Wright has, please watch more boxing.

Well it goes both ways then again. How come some people hold Hopkins win over Winky really high, and argue he should be P4P number 2 or 3?

People rate Hopkins win over Winky high. And people say Winky's loss was because of not regularily fighting at that weight. Which holds merit. Yet people argue this and still have Hopkins and Winky high up the P4P list.

Confusing myself now.

[HotSizzle]

No, i think there a general conception that Winky is high up the P4P list. Even with another loss hes still going to be highly rated. Whereas fighters like abraham, Kess, Bute, Mundine, will continue to be under rated on the system, as all will most likely register big wins in 08 and not make top 20.

Well like its been said a couple times, he did beat mosley 2 times, he beat quartey, dominated tito, and in my opinion beat taylor, so I don't think he's in anyway overrated. So I would say he beats most of those guys no problem.

[Dick-Sucker]

Well like its been said a couple times, he did beat mosley 2 times, he beat quartey, dominated tito, and in my opinion beat taylor, so I don't think he's in anyway overrated. So I would say he beats most of those guys no problem.

no doubt at his prime, maybe hes still in his prime, when hes fighting at 154, he does beat all those guys mentioned.

But i find it hard to imagine Winky won't be in the pound for pound top 20, after another loss. The guys a legend of the sport, beating Mosley twice. Im not saying hes not, his legacy is great. A star of the modern era.

Im sure people will say he fought well, or he was fighting not at his right weight.

[Fox McCloud]

Please explain how the Mundine result doesn't diminish his performance against Soliman. Your argument probably holds significance, but just explain it to me mate.

Nevermind, I got what you were saying about it now... you were right, I just misunderstood.

Still though, the main point is, his 2 round loss to Hopkins (I actually saw it as a Wright win, but that is just me) is not enough to diminish his complete domination of Trinidad. He was up at #2. The draw with Taylor knocked him down to #3. The loss to Hopkins knocked him down to #9. I think it is a hard argument for you to win that Wright should have been taken off the P4P list completely for his loss to Hopkins.

If he looses to a big name by two rounds. Even an over prime big name. He will still be there in the top 20. You can say he won't, but he will be in a lot of peoples list.

And if Bute, Abraham, Mundine or Sturm win big they won't be rated in the top 20, im sure. and a lot of other top notch fighters who aren't American will have the same problems.

I thought you meant top 10, and I thought you meant the official Ring rankings. Fair enough.