Cotto is too easy for PBF

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You are all certainly are on spot when you point out that speed does not win fights, by itself.

To Mayweather his speed is just one of his assets, sometimes he can rely on it more, sometimes less (Hatton), or he is outsped (Judah). With Cotto it's clearly an asset on which he will be able to capitalize. I dont expect him to throw combos or step in and out in a flashy way. What I expect to see is for Mayweather to use it for his negative boxing routine, in which he takes away the dominant offensive weapon of his opponent with his stance, and then take those small steps, which make attacking him very awkward. Good thing Cotto has an articulated attack, (but so did Hatton in his other fights). This is in a nuthshell why i see this fight as a potentially boring and frustrating show to watch.

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Hey here we go. Thanks for the response.

I'm not "on the defensive" bud, I am incapable of being riled up by stuff like this. Been here too long for that. My post was used with the hope that someone would respond with a post offering something than the norm.

Judah was able to sustain an effective out put against Floyd until Floyd figured out what he was doing, like he does with mostly everyone, then he proceeded to turn the fight around in the middle stages of the bout. Judah was unable to change what he was doing with Mayweather. Hatton was unable to adjust with Floyd as well. He was unable to give Floyd different looks and kept going back to his security blanket hook and clinch tactics. Floyd is a damn genius at figuring out his opponents attack and interpreting cues.

Cotto has shown that he is able to adjust to his opponent to get an edge in the fight, much like Floyd does. Now he may not be quite as good as Floyd in this regard, but he is certainly more capable of capitalizing on that intangible than Judah and Hatton. Cotto has fought just about every style imaginable which has allowed him to change his own make up throughout the course of a fight. Floyd is on a different level, but it certainly helps that Cotto has had this experience.

It's not always necessarily significant that Floyd is too fast for Cotto or any of his other opponents. The thing that sets Floyd apart is that he's consistent with his quickness and he doesn't fade. Hatton showed that he could close distance and use his own speed to be effective against Floyd, but he could only do it for so long. Floyd NEVER dropped off. The same was true for Judah. Cotto is different in my opinion because he is every bit as deliberate and persistent as Floyd is with his attack. I don't believe it's a coincidence that Cotto's last 3-4 opponents, all of which where supposed to be much quicker of hand and foot than Cotto, found Miguel's hands to be MUCH faster than anticipated. He throws compact punches and is now very effective with his straight shots with either hand.

Cotto may not have the foot speed that Hatton or Judah possessed, but he understands elements of spacing with respect to the ring and his opponent. Miguel is one of the very best I have seen in recent memory when cutting off the ring because of this. He may not have quick feet, but he is able to effectively cut off the ring and close distance because he knows the correct angles to take to his opponent and he is always in position to punch.

Your given pressure fighter is going to be eaten up by Mayweather. A pressure fighter who can change their attack throughout the course of a fight can give Floyd hell though. I don't believe that Cotto is just another run-of-the-mill come forward brawler. His 31 wins against strong competition should warrant him more respect.


I agree with this. I wasn't trying to point out that Williams would be a less difficult or easy fight for Floyd, I was simply trying to induce some unique responses. My beef was with people CONTINUING to state that Cotto would be an easy fight while largely failing to explain why. As you can see from my lengthy response, I am looking for something more in-depth than, "Mayweather is faster", or, "cotto is easy to be hit and has a questionable chin". A bit redundant, don't you think?

Paul Williams may be able to do to Floyd what Dio Hurtado was able to do to Pernell Whitaker. Yes, many aspects of that fight were different, but the skill and size/length comparison is valid. Dio Hurtado was no average fighter off the street. He was able to take Pernell out of his comfort zone with his length and sharp punching ability. Williams may be able to do the same if he is able to dictate the spatial relationship, using his work rate and variety to out work Floyd.

In part 2, I'll tell you *stylistically* how I think Cotto would be a very tough test for Floyd. A bit long winded, but I think we can get some constructive dialogue going here.

Agreed. Great post. It won't be as easy a night for Mayweather as some people say.

[oldgringo]

Cotto does a few things well that lead me to believe he'd be Floyd's toughest test to date.

#1 - Space. Cotto has worked on his jab a great deal it seems and it has vastly improved since his days at 140. It is a legitimate weapon now, as it comes in very stiff, relatively quickly and he steps into the punch with force. JabsR, this is how I believe Cotto would be able to disrupt Floyd's counter-game. Floyd will struggle to throw the right hand counter over his jab since he will have to first: avoid the punch, and second: the distance will be closed since Cotto steps in, which may not allow Floyd to get much extension on his punch. Judah and Hatton kept pushing ineffective jabs out and Floyd ate it up. I don't believe Cotto will make that mistake.

Once Cotto throws that jab, he is most often in a position to let his hands go to the body and head. He shows good balance and gives himself enough room to punch. This is an area where I feel Hatton REALLY slighted himself. Hatton would hit and fall in down the stretch of the fight, never really giving himself enough room to punch. When they were in close, Floyd would give Hatton that side stance and Hatton didn't seem to know how to deal with it. I think that Cotto's would stay to the body once he realized that Floyd can slip that straight shot upstairs.

#2 - Variety. Cotto consistently throws punches to the body and head and throws them from several angles. Again, referencing Hatton, Ricky failed to do this down the stretch of the fight. He was having success early with the sweeping left right hand downstairs and some other combinations, but he got away from that once he started getting hit. Inside, Floyd proved to have the answer for Hatton's rough housing tactics, so Ricky fell back on what had gotten him to that fight. The sweeping left, fall in, hit inside game.

Cotto can switch his stance while still being effective, showing a different look and throwing various punches out of the southpaw stance. He does it every so often and once he reverts back to his orthodox look he'll keep throwing those short punches inside up and down.

thats one of the best responses that i ever seen in this forums. I agree with you in anything that you said. With all you said i saved my thoughs because are almost the same. I look forward to have the oportunity to talk with you in this or other topics later.

Thanks bud.

[oldgringo]

You are all certainly are on spot when you point out that speed does not win fights, by itself.

To Mayweather his speed is just one of his assets, sometimes he can rely on it more, sometimes less (Hatton), or he is outsped (Judah). With Cotto it's clearly an asset on which he will be able to capitalize. I dont expect him to throw combos or step in and out in a flashy way. What I expect to see is for Mayweather to use it for his negative boxing routine, in which he takes away the dominant offensive weapon of his opponent with his stance, and then take those small steps, which make attacking him very awkward. Good thing Cotto has an articulated attack, (but so did Hatton in his other fights). This is in a nuthshell why i see this fight as a potentially boring and frustrating show to watch.

Yeah, certainly an outcome that I can see.

-Floyd not being around long enough for Cotto to do anything substantial...

-Clean right hands from Floyd early being the telling punches on the scorecards as Cotto gets started too late...

-Floyd using his guile, stamina, mental toughness and ring awareness to dictate the fight in a smart showing.

All I hope is that these guys prove what's really real with it in the ring later this year.

[jack_the_rippuh]

Gringo, fact is.
Your boy Cotto allows himself to be hit too much.
While the whole taking one to land three worked against everybody he's faced so far.
He hasn't fought anyone as defensive as Floyd.

[Parody]

Gringo, fact is.
Your boy Cotto allows himself to be hit too much.
While the whole taking one to land three worked against everybody he's faced so far.
He hasn't fought anyone as defensive as Floyd.

He has'nt fought anyone defensive. He barely got past a Mosley who was competitive with a shot Vargas in the first fight. We know how brilliant is Mosley's defense dont we...lol, the thing is Floyd wont be getting hit often in this one.

[blacksky]

people seem to have forgotten that cotto only looked good when mosely stood in front of him, mosely outboxed him when he was up on his toes.

If a mosely can do that, mayweather will just nullify cotto and then ramp up the pace in the later rounds, similar to the way he fought hatton.

I still think there is a big chance that cotto's chin will get exposed.

[oldgringo]

Gringo, fact is.
Your boy Cotto allows himself to be hit too much.
While the whole taking one to land three worked against everybody he's faced so far.
He hasn't fought anyone as defensive as Floyd.

A lot of this is true.

I just feel like he could give Floyd all types of problems with the way he fights. I'm just trying to give a reasonable perspective which, in a sense, explains why a Cotto/Mayweather fight SHOULD happen.

It would be interesting all bull**** aside. Miguelito has earned it. Admit, many folk here have been stating that he was going to lose one of these last 3 fights he participated in.

I think the point is that fans of boxing should want to see this fight. Stop with the money ****, stop with the elitist outlooks like Floyd is greater than boxing. Should Floyd choose to fight again, which we should all hope for because he's such an amazing talent, we should hope that he faces off against the best fighters around his weight in the sport today. That fighter just happens to be Cotto right now.

gotta go....time to be havin thangs.

[oldgringo]

people seem to have forgotten that cotto only looked good when mosely stood in front of him, mosely outboxed him when he was up on his toes.

If a mosely can do that, mayweather will just nullify cotto and then ramp up the pace in the later rounds, similar to the way he fought hatton.

I still think there is a big chance that cotto's chin will get exposed.

How can your chin be "exposed" when everybody has already seen you BADLY hurt on a few occasions now?

Time for you to get the **** out of your own thread. You provide the dumbest, G.E.D. level responses in this mother****er.

[Dynamite Kid]

Cotto applys the preassure the way Hatton does but he has a Jab & can work his way inside & he throws straight shots aswell as hooks ,Hatton doesnt Jab his way in or throw straight down the middle & Cotto dont tire like Oscar & he is younger

personally i think Cotto would give Floyd a real big test