Wladamir Klitchko runs the gauntlet

[THE REAL NINJA]

It's not really fair to say he was the real champ and Wlad is not when in Primo's time there was only one title to be held.
He also had the mob to rig the rankings for him and Wlad beat the best and longest champion to gain his belt.

[Parody]

Louis was top 10 at best. there is no way in the world he is the best puncher of all time. Actually, tell me that Joe Louis hits harder than Shavers or Foreman and i'll put it in my sig. its just laughable how you just make this stuff up..lol. get me a link that say that Louis was the best puncher of all time.


Please, you are underrating Wladimir. None of those fighters that you were comparing him to was an Olympic gold medalist and a two time heavyweight champion like Wlad. Wlad knocks out quality opponents and make them look like bums and weak contenders. Only about 4 people have went the distance with this man, his power is massive. and Wlad did not have a paper belt. He knocked out chris byrd, (who is aslo a 2 time heavyweight champion) and got the belt. A paper champion is a fighter who wins the vacant title against a bum to get it. Example, Kermit Cintron is a paper champion because he did not win the title against a champion. Wlad won it against a real 2 time heavyweight champion chris byrd, which makes him a REAL champion.



Joe Louis was too small and flat footed to even touch Wlads chin. Louis looked good when fighters came to him or stood in front of him. I would not even give louis a chance in this fight. He wouldn't even get past the left jab and the right hand would be something sick. Louis has never see power like Wlads before. Wlad has actually fought fighters that hits harder than Joe Louis. and Foreman would have to hit Wlads chin in order to do something to it. prime Foreman was to stiff and hesitant, he would directly in front of Wlad's power. and the sanders, williamson, and Peter fight happens before Wlad improved. Since the peter fight, who has been able to hit wlads chin? nobody has.

Whats laughable is your not reading my posts properly, Louis is rated as #1, the greatest puncher of all time not at HW but P4P the Greatest puncher.

Here is the link, I suggest you have a look at it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_Magazine's_list_of_100_greatest_punchers_of_a ll_time

Again Wladimir has NEVER been a legit world HW champion, I dont know if im wasting my time...dude WHEN wladimir beats Ibragimov like i expect he would have won the "Heavyweight" Championship for the first time, not the paper belt of one of the four organisations. Chris Byrd was never "The Man" at Heavyweight, he did'nt have the linear title, the linear title has been vacant since Lewis retired. Chris Byrd was just ranked #1 as Heavyweight just like Wlad is now, but he was never a legit HW champion, he just had a belt just like Valuev, Chagaev, Jones Jr and others did.

Yeah Samuel Peter hit him, but Joe Louis wont...who is one of the most accurate punchers ever. Thanks for that slicksouthpaw

[TheGreatA]

It's not really fair to say he was the real champ and Wlad is not when in Primo's time there was only one title to be held.
He also had the mob to rig the rankings for him and Wlad beat the best and longest champion to gain his belt.

Carnera still beat the very capable champion Jack Sharkey (who beat Schmeling who beat Joe Louis) but it could've been a dive. Like I said I don't rate Carnera as much of a champion.

Byrd was a long time titleholder but Lewis was the real champion and Vitali could've been considered as one after Lewis retired.

Byrd wasn't much, most of his title defences were close decisions or draws. Wlad had already beaten him and Byrd was only few years older. I don't think holding onto a belt means you will become a real champion after the old one retires.

We all know Wlad is the number one ranked heavyweight but he hasn't beaten the best competition out there yet and he knows it himself. Why else would he try to unify the titles? He wants to be recognized as the real champion.

[Jim Jeffries]

That and Buddy and Max Baer who were both 6'6 250 lbs, who also had a better chin than Wladimir.

Max Baer was 6'2" and between 200 and 210 at his best. Honestly I don't know where you get some of this stuff.

[WLAD OWNS]

Carnera isn't much but he still managed to win the REAL world title unlike Wlad. Baer's achievements surpass Wlad's.

This might change in the future but that's how it is right now.

I don't consider Wlad a real world champ even if he beats Ibragimov, only if he beats someone like Chagaev/Maskaev/Peter again.

He will be a unified titleholder but Ring Magazine's rules state that the real champion must beat the number two ranked heavyweight.

Ibragimov is top 5 at best.

Do you think I care about Carnera and Baer's achievments? NO

Wlad would crush anybody from that era and you clowns know it.

The only reason Wlad isn't the Unified champ right now is because of the corrupt boxing politics and bull**** mandatories. There was only 1 title back in the days of Baer and Carnera.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Parody;3002250]Whats laughable is your not reading my posts properly, Louis is rated as #1, the greatest puncher of all time not at HW but P4P the Greatest puncher.

Again, get me a link that says this and i'll believe it.

Again Wladimir has NEVER been a legit world HW champion, I dont know if im wasting my time...dude WHEN wladimir beats Ibragimov like i expect he would have won the "Heavyweight" Championship for the first time, not the paper belt of one of the four organisations.

Wladimir has never been a legit world champion? He is a two time world champion and beaten plenty of top 10 contenders and quality opponents. can you get any more legit?

Chris Byrd was never "The Man" at Heavyweight, he did'nt have the linear title, the linear title has been vacant since Lewis retired. Chris Byrd was just ranked #1 as Heavyweight just like Wlad is now, but he was never a legit HW champion, he just had a belt just like Valuev, Chagaev, Jones Jr and others did.

Chris Byrd is a two time heavyweight champion and a great fighter. the last person to be unified champion was Lennox Lewis. im not getting the point you are trying to make?

[THE REAL NINJA]

Carnera still beat the very capable champion Jack Sharkey (who beat Schmeling who beat Joe Louis) but it could've been a dive. Like I said I don't rate Carnera as much of a champion.

Byrd was a long time titleholder but Lewis was the real champion and Vitali could've been considered as one after Lewis retired.

Byrd wasn't much, most of his title defences were close decisions or draws. Wlad had already beaten him and Byrd was only few years older. I don't think holding onto a belt means you will become a real champion after the old one retires.

We all know Wlad is the number one ranked heavyweight but he hasn't beaten the best competition out there yet and he knows it himself. Why else would he try to unify the titles?

True but now we have all of these abc commissions and promoters with written contrated fighters so unification is not so simple as "hey I want a title shot".
Back then if you were on Tex's good side you'd get a shot now your promoter has to work with their promoter and they have to find tv slots and all that other good stuff.

It's just a matter of time if no one makes a move by the end of this year then i'd say start jumping on them all.


Louis was picked as the #1 all time puncher I can scan the book if you want.

[TheGreatA]

Fact is, pure achievements matter much more than people's opinions on head-to-head match-ups. Wladimir knows it himself and wants to prove people he has the skills to be considered among the best heavyweights of all time.

Wlad could be the greatest boxer ever born but if he doesn't have the record to prove it, it doesn't matter.

[Parody]

Again, get me a link that says this and i'll believe it. Again Wladimir has NEVER been a legit world HW champion, I dont know if im wasting my time...dude WHEN wladimir beats Ibragimov like i expect he would have won the "Heavyweight" Championship for the first time, not the paper belt of one of the four organisations.
Wladimir has never been a legit world champion? He is a two time world champion and beaten plenty of top 10 contenders and quality opponents. can you get any more legit?


Chris Byrd is a two time heavyweight champion and a great fighter. the last person to be unified champion was Lennox Lewis. im get the point you are trying to make?

Here is the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_Magazine's_list_of_100_greatest_punchers_of_a ll_time

and Byrd was'nt the legit champ either, when Lewis retired the linear title was Vacant, and it has been vacant since then. Byrd won the vacant title vs Holyfield and before that won a title which was originally was a fight between one of the worst titlist of all time Herbie Hide vs Tony Tucker for the Vacant WBO Title which Hide won, Klitschko beat Hide and Byrd beat Klitschko.

[slicksouthpaw16]

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thats an old magizine back when Louis was fighting, Foreman, Shavers, or Wlad was not even boxing at that time.