Prime Vitali Klitschko vs Prime Mike Tyson

[slicksouthpaw16]

someone please tell me how Vitali is pencil stiff?
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[GearsOfWar]

Tyson wouldn't even be able to get near vitali at all, vitali would jab tyson to death just like Lennox lewis did. Tysons too damn short.

[Benny Leonard]

=slicksouthpaw16;3000718]Its laughable how you talk about Lewis like he was shot when he fought Vitali, taking away from how well Vitali looked against a hall of famer. Lennox Lewis was still a dominate champion is knocking fighters out left and right. If he was so ''past his prime'', then why was he still champion? Lennox was never in wars, i would say that he was slightly past his prime, and thats kinda pushing it. He started to come on because Vitali had that cut, which is also why Vitali had to hold on. Who says that Tyson would hit Vitali as often as Lewis did? Lewis is almost as tall as Vitali and a great pure boxer, that is why he was able to hit Vitali that often. Have you seen anyone else hit Vitali that often? Tyson is alot shorter and in range of Vitali's punches, plus hes not a great pure boxer. He would be getting hit more than he is hitting.

Did I say Lewis was "shot"...NO, I said he was 38 and past his prime and Vitali still lost. He was still "Champion" because the division ******. Lewis had a tough fight with Bruno, came through. Tough fight with Mercer, came through. Lewis landed a brutal uppercut that had Vitali holding. Lewis started to come on. A great fighter knows how to get his second-wind.
My point with Tyson is that Vitali would have to come down to fight him, which leaves a tall fighter exposed. Wlad's reach is 80' inches, despite being 6'7. Nobody was abe to hit Vitali that often because nobody else was as skilled as Lewis. It's like a young Tyson, how many times did he really get hit because of his head movement, and basing it on Vitali's speed of punch, it doesn't favor Vitali hitting him that often...Wlad has the shot to land more often.

The point is that Tillis was never a good top fighter and Tyson fought life and death with. and looking at that fight, then looking at how Morrison torched Tillis really makes Tyson look bad. you are also ignoring the fact that Tyson later wrote that he wanted to quit in that fight from all of the body shots that he was taking, some observers made a case that the decision should have went to Tillis. again, this is PRIME Tyson that we are talking about. what happened? Its laughable how people compare Tyson to the all time greats, would Ali, Foreman, Johnson, or any of the other greats have a close fight with quick Tillis? please.

Again, you exaggeration is amazing: "Life and Death" It's called he wasn't sure he could make it the distance so he was questioning the entire time and on cruise control. Tyson said he wanted to "quit."? Tyson has said fighters want to quit but they push past it. Get it right. Vitali quit against Byrd, don't forget. And this wasn't a prime Tyson...he was still coming into himself. He was what 19, almost 20 and still gaining experience.

And have we forgot that Tommy was a big puncher?

Look at Wlad vs. Peter. Peter was stunned once, towards the end, yet it was McCline who put him down a few times and almost had him out. See the point?

He knocked Tyson 5 feet back wards and rocked him. Imagine what he would have done if he would have opened up earlier in the fight? and it sounds like an excuse when you said ''Tyson was not expecting it''. please, many fighters get knocked out and do not expect the punch that did it. your point? and if someone is holding you, just push them off and go back to work, thats what a fighter does.

He stunned him, but Tyson fought back like he did against Ruddock. The point I made is that Smith wasn't opening up, which is why Tyson got comfortable in thinking Smith wasn't going to hit. Remember Bruno and Ruddock when they stunned Mike, what happened? Mike fought back, adjusted and controlled the fight. Mike needs you to throw back to have an openining to hit.

For pushing off a bigger, stronger fighter, through the course of a fight is absurd and will only wear you out. You let the ref break you up and don't expend the energy. This isn't some lower weight class bull****, this is the HW division where a fighter can out-weigh you by a lot. Tyson was 215-220, Smith was 230+ and was strong.

LOL! Its laughable how you try making Ruddock seem shot to take away from him being torched by Lennox and Morrison. He was shot in the Morrison fight, he actaully put up a pretty good fight before he was stopped. where was he shot? He was not shot when he fought Lewis either. It was not what he was not doing to Lennox, it was Lennox was doing to him.

This is what Ruddock said. So you are telling me you never seen a fighter get whooped in a fight, especially going one after the other against a power puncher, and not be the same in future fights?

Unless you are Ruddock, I suggest you keep quite.

Punch down? that means that Tyson is taylor made for him. He has a short fight that is in range of his punches and does not have the best defense in the world. like i said before, Tyson would be getting hit a lot more than he is hitiing. and since when have you seen someone hit Vitali's body at will? it has never happened. He has an underrated defense and is a great pure boxer. and you getting Vitali mixed up with Wladimir. Wladimir is pencil stiff. Vitali is loose and fluent with his boxing, i dont know where you get the impression that he is stiff.

Who doesn't have the best defense in the World, a young-Tyson??? Please tell me you are joking...Tyson had a very good defense.

You missed the point again...No, he is not "taylor made for him." When you punch down your hands are down south, far away from getting your hands back to block, with your body tilted towards down at the fighter, leaving you exposed for a fighter as small as Tyson, who would only fight smaller, in order to make Vitali drop even lower.

Yes, I see your point, Vitai isn't stiff, he is another Ali.

It's what Tyson does good that helps him. His head-movement, speed in body, timing and combinations and power in both hands help him.

Its laughable how you say that Vitali quits when the thread starter says PRIME, meaning that its when they fight at thier 100% best. He quit when he his shoulder have out and thats an injury, so that is not needed in this debate. he was well ahead on the score cards against a 2 time world Heavyweight champion in Chris Byrd before it happened. We can use Tyson not having heart in this debate because he never had heart to begin with. Vitail didn't always have injuries so we can thorw that quiting stuff out. Besides, after the Byrd fight, Vitali promised his fans that he would never quit again. did he quit against Lennox? no, he didn't. And Tyson DID look terrible against Ruddock when you look at what Morrison and Lennox did to him. When you take away all of the press and hype, Tyson is just an average fighter. Seems to me like you are believing the hype along with everyone else.

Soooo, Vitali wasn't at his best against Byrd? Didn't know Vitali wasn't a finished product. Did he have personal problems that he would work out?
Fighters fight with injuries. Fighters have fought with broken hands, ribs, torn shoulder, jaw, etc.

How didn't Tyson have heart, please explain?

LOL! am i missing something? wow, i didn't know that Tyson fought a prime 6'8 2 time world champion with a good chin, good stamina, great power and chin?

He fought a 6'5 fighter. Vitali is 6'7. For reach, Vitali has an 80' inch reach...Tyson's fought longer. Vitali doesn't have devastating power...heavy handed power, but not devastating.

what does Vitali not hitting has as Wlad has to do with anything? Vitali has a knockout ratio of over 90%. His record is 35-2-33 knockouts with both knockouts being flukes and not REAL losses. Lennox Lewis was labled to having a weak chin but his chin isn't weak at all. When he was ready and prepared to take a good shot, he has showed a good chin. just look at the Mercer, Tua, Bruno, and Vitali fights. They all hit him and didn't take him out. you can tell how hard Vitali hits because you heard a loud ''snap'' when he was hitting Lewis.

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Lennox doesn't have a weak chin, but it isn't Iron either. Vitali wears his opponents out with his heavy hands, which is a credit to him.

[WLAD OWNS]

Look at the Poll, Wlad owns. LOL

All this poll proves is that Mike Tyson is one of the most overrated fighters of all time. If that joke Buster Douglas can destroy prime Tyson than Vitali definately could as well.

I've said it once and I will say it again....Vitali klitschko destroys prime Tyson in 8 rounds.

[TheGreatA]

Two words.

Chris Byrd.

[Benny Leonard]

Tyson wouldn't even be able to get near vitali at all, vitali would jab tyson to death just like Lennox lewis did. Tysons too damn short.

Didn't know we are talking about a shot/past prime, overweight, unmotivated, pot smoker version of Tyson. Agree Vitali would whoop him like Lennox did.

[Benny Leonard]

All this poll proves is that Mike Tyson is one of the most overrated fighters of all time. If that joke Buster Douglas can destroy prime Tyson than Vitali definately could as well.

I've said it once and I will say it again....Vitali klitschko destroys prime Tyson in 8 rounds.

Again, and I like how people continue to do this...Factors are involved with Tyson's loss to Douglas. He was not the same fighter.

If you are not right mentally and physically the same as you were before, living a different lifestyle, are not training, not training with the same trainer, that's not the same.

Tyson peaked with Spinks. After that, down hill.


Training and Motivation is big. Just look at Douglas's career. Not motivated for most of his career, then finally decides to go all out, wins several fights in a row, fights Tyson, is motivated for his mother, and performs great. The other side to this was Tyson, who was once high on boxing, fell off prior to this fight.

And what happened to Douglas right after this fight, he went to **** and packed it in.

Factors of life.



I actually think this fight isn't a Mike destroys Vitali, Vitali destroys Mike type of fight. To many questions for both.

And you know what, Douglas is actually the sharper, faster, and more accurate puncher between him and Vitali...not to mention athletically better, but Vitali is 6'7, so it is harder for him.

[Brother Blues]

Hmmm,71% of the people think the Klit would get killed.

Oh well Wlad...you will have to think of another way to shine Klitschko's balls today.

[WLAD OWNS]

Hmmm,71% of the people think the Klit would get killed.

Oh well Wlad...you will have to think of another way to shine Klitschko's balls today.

71% of the people are a mix of racist,nationalist morons that think Prime Tyson was invincible.

Hey Brother Blues, are you gonna try losing some weight in the New Year or are you just gonna go with the old fashioned liposuction?

Fat American slobs like you make me sick...you probably haven't even seen your **** before you disgusting fat ****.

[big paulie]

71% of the people are a mix of racist,nationalist morons that think Prime Tyson was invincible.

Hey Brother Blues, are you gonna try losing some weight in the New Year or are you just gonna go with the old fashioned liposuction?

Fat American slobs like you make me sick...you probably haven't even seen your **** before you disgusting fat ****.

so your saying the overwhelming majority are......wrong? y dont you just find a klitchko site to stroke to coz you cant seem to be able to discuss boxing rationally