Prime Vitali Klitschko vs Prime Mike Tyson

[Benny Leonard]

great points gavinz.

how about those pics of vitali with tyson. notice a little difference there? just how the hell could tyson even reach vitali's chin.

and vitali didn't actually need to be fast. he could tell when people where going to throw a punch. and what punch they were going to throw. the guy is not this big lumbering idiot that these haters try to make him out to be.

and how many times have we heard about a boxer thinking they can get to vitali, and then expressing their admiriation for how difficult their seemingly easy plan actually is to execute.

i'm sure all of his opponents thought he was slow and easy to get to. and when they left the ring with glossy eyes and swollen heads, they still weren't sure what happened. klitschko is many times better than some seem to perceive. like it or not, he was the most dominating. and this is not because he was just average.

Vitali is 6'7, Tucker was 6'5, two inch difference...Tyson landed on Tucker nicely. Plus, you go to the body. Even Lewis, when he pressured Vitali, and this was from head shots and pressure, Vitali started to steam out.

Valuev is 7'0, and was hit by 6′ 1, Ruslan Chagaev, and won.


You forget, a tall fighter has to be able to land on a smaller fighter, and to do that, he has to bring himself down.

Vitali fights with his hands down, head stiff, so also remember that.


This still would be a hard fight, if Vitali doesn't get cut, which many probably expect to happen.

[Fox McCloud]

Am I the only one who thinks it's funny that Wlad Owns called a prime Tyson mentally weak?

I mean, wasn't that the thing that went, taking Tyson out of his prime, or did his body shut down and no one noticed?

[big paulie]

great points gavinz.

how about those pics of vitali with tyson. notice a little difference there? just how the hell could tyson even reach vitali's chin.

and vitali didn't actually need to be fast. he could tell when people where going to throw a punch. and what punch they were going to throw. the guy is not this big lumbering idiot that these haters try to make him out to be.

and how many times have we heard about a boxer thinking they can get to vitali, and then expressing their admiriation for how difficult their seemingly easy plan actually is to execute.

i'm sure all of his opponents thought he was slow and easy to get to. and when they left the ring with glossy eyes and swollen heads, they still weren't sure what happened. klitschko is many times better than some seem to perceive. like it or not, he was the most dominating. and this is not because he was just average.

mike had no trouble reaching the bigger guys, tucker, smith, ruddock were not exactly lacking in hight and size, im not comparing them to vitali but using them to prove tyson could be effective with much taller opponents, remember we are talking about a prime tyson, for a couple of years the guy was untouchable and had mastered a particular style, very quick, very elusive. no one has come close to what mike at only 21 years of age did to larry holmes. i see a similar fight to tyson ruddock 2 with mike having to take his lumps but winning a hard fought decision

[Parody]

Look at the Poll, Wlad owns. LOL

[slicksouthpaw16]

he casnt have that great a chin either i hear Pelel Reid KO'D him in kickBoxing match

that was a kick boxing match and he knocked him out with a foot. wow, since when have they used feet in boxing?

[Benny Leonard]

Am I the only one who thinks it's funny that Wlad Owns called a prime Tyson mentally weak?

I mean, wasn't that the thing that went, taking Tyson out of his prime, or did his body shut down and no one noticed?

It's not funny because I'm used to his posts now.

With Tyson, like everybody, it's motivation.

I also wonder how people judge mental toughness. Is mental tougness being someone that continues on because "God" tells him or is the mental tough person able to question, even though it is the harder path because once you open one door, others open?

A mentally weak person quits with a shoulder injury when he is still in his prime.

A mentally weak person doesn't taking a beating for 10 rounds, despite being mentally declined and not trained and having no chance of winning...ends up being knocked on his ass, and still tries to get up.


Tyson's not the strongest, he is no Ali, but he is far from weak. If anything, he probably thinks to damn much and doesn't have answers that enable him to get out of the situation accordinglly...but I don't know the man so who knows. He does seem to need confidence boosts at times. Being in your early 20's, with fame, money and pressure doesn't help. He is no Alexander the Great, although he even had some issues and was helped along by his "friend" until he died, then things went to **** for a bit until he ended up buried as well. Alexander was able to bury himself in his work, where Tyson, I'm not sure he ever wanted to be a fighter.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Vitali is 6'7, Tucker was 6'5, two inch difference...Tyson landed on Tucker nicely. Plus, you go to the body. Even Lewis, when he pressured Vitali, and this was from head shots and pressure, Vitali started to steam out.

Valuev is 7'0, and was hit by 6′ 1, Ruslan Chagaev, and won.


You forget, a tall fighter has to be able to land on a smaller fighter, and to do that, he has to bring himself down.

Vitali fights with his hands down, head stiff, so also remember that.


This still would be a hard fight, if Vitali doesn't get cut, which many probably expect to happen.

Even in Tysons prime, when someone would actually fight him back, he would not look as good and would go the distance. Just look at the quick tills, Razor Ruddock, and Bone Crusher Smith fight, that was PRIME Tyson at his best. He has problems with those tough fighters. To me, its just laughable when people say that Tyson would do all of this stuff like slip inside the jab and knock Vitali out but, where was all of that when he fought Quick Tillis? People do not think about his insucurity and lack of heart. some observers actually made a case that Quick Tillis won that fight. I also remember reading that Tyson later wrote that he wanted to quit in the fight with Tillis because of the hard body shots that he was taken. It looks bad for Tyson for the simple fact that Tommy Morrison destroyed Tillis easily, and Lennox Lewis and Tommy Morrison both knocked out Razor Ruddock and Tyson fought life and death with him, and again this is PRIME Tyson that we are talking about. I see it like this, If Vitali makes it past the 6 round (which he would IMO) he would break Tyson down mentally because it was always discouraging for him when a fighter stood there and took all of his shots and kept coming back. Vitali keeps his distance, picks his spots to work from the outside, and stops a mentally and physically battered Tyson in the middle rounds.

[j]

Vitali is 6'7, Tucker was 6'5, two inch difference...Tyson landed on Tucker nicely. Plus, you go to the body. Even Lewis, when he pressured Vitali, and this was from head shots and pressure, Vitali started to steam out.

Valuev is 7'0, and was hit by 6′ 1, Ruslan Chagaev, and won.


You forget, a tall fighter has to be able to land on a smaller fighter, and to do that, he has to bring himself down.

Vitali fights with his hands down, head stiff, so also remember that.


This still would be a hard fight, if Vitali doesn't get cut, which many probably expect to happen.

you may think klitschko is stiff, but, unless you can really analyze his style the way i can, you only see the outside. and no, i'm not saying he was the smoothest guy ever.

i still see so much of the tyson media imprinted on peoples minds.

and i wouldn't bring up cuts as a factor considering they have only been a problem once.

i also think people underestimate how truly hard it would be to fight vitali. there's really nobody that can truly emulate him.

i am done with this thread. some people will listen, others have their minds already made up. either way, no one can really say what would've happened. but we do know that vitali liked mike and mike said vitali was an outstanding fighter. case closed.

[big paulie]

Even in Tysons prime, when someone would actually fight him back, he would not look as good and would go the distance. Just look at the quick tills, Razor Ruddock, and Bone Crusher Smith fight, that was PRIME Tyson at his best. He has problems with those tough fighters. To me, its just laughable when people say that Tyson would do all of this stuff like slip inside the jab and knock Vitali out but, where was all of that when he fought Quick Tillis? People do not think about his insucurity and lack of heart. some observers actually made a case that Quick Tillis won that fight. I also remember reading that Tyson later wrote that he wanted to quit in the fight with Tillis because of the hard body shots that he was taken. It looks bad for Tyson for the simple fact that Tommy Morrison destroyed Tillis easily, and Lennox Lewis and Tommy Morrison both knocked out Razor Ruddock and Tyson fought life and death with him, and again this is PRIME Tyson that we are talking about. I see it like this, If Vitali makes it past the 6 round (which he would IMO) he would break Tyson down mentally because it was always discouraging for him when a fighter stood there and took all of his shots and kept coming back. Vitali keeps his distance, picks his spots to work from the outside, and stops and mentally a physically battered Tyson in the middle rounds.

tillis was 106 years old when he was served up to morrison and ruddock softened up in two wars with tyson, true he looked like **** against tillis but what about what he did to holmes, tyson was just 21 for gods sake and dont tell me holmes was shot coz he gave holyfield all he could handle 4 years after the tyson lost and also ray mercer

[slicksouthpaw16]

tillis was 106 years old when he was served up to morrison and ruddock softened up in two wars with tyson, true he looked like **** against tillis but what about what he did to holmes, tyson was just 21 for gods sake and dont tell me holmes was shot coz he gave holyfield all he could handle 4 years after the tyson lost and also ray mercer

Holmes? Clearly past his peak. There is no significance for the simple fact that we all know that prime Holmes would have beaten Tyson. Even if Tillis was younger when he fought Tyson, Tillis was never a great contender or even a champion. That same Larry Holmes also lost to Oliver Mccall. Is MCcall a great fighter now?