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i say it because of this, he didn't and would never have fought a prime vargas. he only fought vargas 3-4 years after trinidad wrecked him when it was easy pickings and vargas almost took him out anyway. oscar has a history of picking through trinidads left overs.

i understand what you are saying but...
trust me, that was'nt an easy fight. Watch it again and there is no way he should have got through those first 3 rounds that took heart i dont care what anyone says.

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Oscar is not my favourite fighter but I dont understand how you say his has no heart, how he got through those first few rounds with Vargas i will never know.

i also say it because he is a jr middle - middle weight and goes around calling out jr welters (mayweather/hatton) and jr. lights (paquiao).

why don't he man up and give hopkins a rematch? or call out spinks, forrest, karmizan, taylor, pavlik or ANY fighter his size?

at a minimum at least have big enough stones and sign to fight Cotto. But you see that would be asking too much of Oscar. After Cotto UD Shane, Oscar knows Cotto would put it on his ass. And it wouldn't be the loss that I'd have a problem with it's that Oscar wouldn't stand and fight with him like Shane did. Like true, real mexican fighters do, such as my man Tapia.

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i also say it because he is a jr middle - middle weight and goes around calling out jr welters (mayweather/hatton) and jr. lights (paquiao).

why don't he man up and give hopkins a rematch? or call out spinks, forrest, karmizan, taylor, pavlik or ANY fighter his size?

at a minimum at least have big enough stones and sign to fight Cotto. But you see that would be asking too much of Oscar. After Cotto UD Shane, Oscar knows Cotto would put it on his ass. And it wouldn't be the loss that I'd have a problem with it's that Oscar wouldn't stand and fight with him like Shane did. Like true, real mexican fighters do, such as my man Tapia.

Oh i have no doubt he would lose to Cotto and yep he certainly isnt Johnny Tapia. Like i said im not a big DeLa Hoya fan im just saying that fight against Vargas showed heart.

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Oh i have no doubt he would lose to Cotto and yep he certainly isnt Johnny Tapia. Like i said im not a big DeLa Hoya fan im just saying that fight against Vargas showed heart.

even like your boy ricky hatton. ricky got beat but went out on his shield like a warrior, a fighter. and after didn't make excuses.

do you remember Oscar after his second loss to Shane saying "i'm gonna have my lawyers start an investigation into the shady judging tonight". that is the kind of **** that is so irritating about oscar.

what about an investigation regartding the shady judging of the sturm, quartey or whitaker fights? where are his lawyers?

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de la Hoya destroys the greatest Mexican fighter of all time, twice. Out-hustles Whitaker handily enough to win 8 rounds on my card. Easily beat Mosley the second time. Easily beat Trinidad. Sturm fight is arguable. Mayweather loss is arguable. Beats Quartey. What does a man have to do? How would he have 9 losses. You are a total ****ing moron! 9 Losses? Where did you get that **** from?

Pollution like this makes me want to leave forum.

you just proved my point. he never would have fought a prime chavez, ever. chavez had damn near 100 PRO FIGHTS by the time Oscar "challenged" him.

he got schooled by whitaker, rROBBED quartey, straight out ran from trinidad, got spanked by sturm, took a bull**** dive against hopkins, lost twice to shane and then tops it all off with a spanking from a jr welter. and now he wants to fight ricky hatton or pacquaio. the dudes a joke.....

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de la Hoya destroys the greatest Mexican fighter of all time, twice. Out-hustles Whitaker handily enough to win 8 rounds on my card. Easily beat Mosley the second time. Easily beat Trinidad. Sturm fight is arguable. Mayweather loss is arguable. Beats Quartey. What does a man have to do? How would he have 9 losses. You are a total ****ing moron! 9 Losses? Where did you get that **** from?

Pollution like this makes me want to leave forum.

he already has 5 loses on his record, when you add whitaker, quartey, and sturm it 8 loses sorry. what other great fighter has 8 loses with less than 40 fights?

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Funny how trolljobs like this always get the most responses.

that is a typical response from someone who doesn't like the message but can't refute the opinion by backing up his own opinion with intelligent debate.

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How did he come down TWO weight classes when he weighed 147 and defended the welterweight title? And the answer to your question is Roy Jones, who really did go down two weight classes.

i stand corrected. his fight prior to hatton was 154 and mayweather walks around at 146 making him a jr welter.

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Like or Hate DLH th eminute he compaired DLH to Gatti he lost all credibility. If your gonna make an argument, at least make a good one.

I stand corrected again. Your right, arturo gatti has shown more blood and guts than Oscar. I meant no disrespect to Gatti.

as far as:
"Rather than fearing death, a Mexican ' chases after it, mocks it, courts it, embraces it, sleeps with it; it is his favorite plaything and most lasting love" -

that statement is full of more bull**** than Oscars victory over Sturm.

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Oscar calling himself a Jr. Middleweight is like Floyd Mayweather calling himself a welterweight.

Technically, okay, you are a Jr. Middleweight, but we all know you don't belong there any more than Floyd belongs at 147.