2 observations on "Undefeated"

[oldgringo]

It's true that Hatton dips but that gives more leverage to his left hook, that's why he could do some of the "nice" things (such as breaking ribs putting people on their asses and so on) he did with that punch throughout his career, there is a tradeoff between sneakiness and power there. He should have been able to adjust when in the ring with Mayweather, but I am not sure that is the biggest problem with Hatton throwing the left, I think that would be the fact that his right hand is nowhere close to where it should be.

He was able to hit Mayweather with his left but was more succesful with the right, in particular to the body. If you look closely Hatton probably does not land a single left hook to the body. Mayweather's stance at midrange and his ducking under while getting up close (correct my not so great english if what I just typed makes no sense, but what I mean is Mayweather would slip under and put the left side of his body in front of Hatton) took care of that.

Rest of the post you are right, when Hatton stopped mixing punches, he was out of the fight.

Yep. Hatton turns into that left and gets plenty of leverage with it, but it was detrimental to his chances of success along the way because he just kept going back to it. Now that may get you some respect or even a knockout with a lesser opponent, but it's just an awful idea against someone like Floyd.

I noticed that the right hand to the body was landing, particularly when Hatton would come in with the left and snap the right hand downstairs.

My real problem with the Hatton approach was his lack of effective straight punches. Just to forecast a bit, the prospective opponent for Floyd now is Cotto. Something Cotto does well which I feel could work against Floyd is he comes in with a disruptive straight shot, squares his body up, and is then in position to let loose with both hands to the body. Hatton screwed up in this area by coming in with sweeping punches too often, allowing Floyd to favor one side of the body, thus helping his defensive effort.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

i said Floyd would UD or TKO Hatton late, based on the fact that HATTON well, isnt as good as any of the top welters whom FMJ refuses to fight.

You seem to have an odd fixation with this Floyd-as-a-welterweight thing.


Name two welterweights smaller than Floyd.

[nmuburner22]

You seem to have an odd fixation with this Floyd-as-a-welterweight thing.


Name two welterweights smaller than Floyd.

But wait I thouht the consensus was that Floyd was really a JW himself.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

But wait I thouht the consensus was that Floyd was really a JW himself.

There's this double standard out there for Floyd.

While everyone else camps out at a lower weight, or refuses to move up in ten years (*cough*Hatton*cough*Margarito*cough), Floyd is required to fight at WW, JMW and MW.

This for a guy who had nearly 30 fights at SFW.

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Yep. Hatton turns into that left and gets plenty of leverage with it, but it was detrimental to his chances of success along the way because he just kept going back to it. Now that may get you some respect or even a knockout with a lesser opponent, but it's just an awful idea against someone like Floyd.

I noticed that the right hand to the body was landing, particularly when Hatton would come in with the left and snap the right hand downstairs.

My real problem with the Hatton approach was his lack of effective straight punches. Just to forecast a bit, the prospective opponent for Floyd now is Cotto. Something Cotto does well which I feel could work against Floyd is he comes in with a disruptive straight shot, squares his body up, and is then in position to let loose with both hands to the body. Hatton screwed up in this area by coming in with sweeping punches too often, allowing Floyd to favor one side of the body, thus helping his defensive effort.

If Hatton threw straight shots on the way in, it would have been nice. If anything to protect his big ginger head.

[oldgringo]

If Hatton threw straight shots on the way in, it would have been nice. If anything to protect his big ginger head.

Hah...sent you a reply. Been a good discussion.

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Hah...sent you a reply. Been a good discussion.

yep, merry xmas, OG. its VERY late where I am now. going to bed ciao

[Azteca]

Nah, Hatton was doing his thing decently, he was trying to do something that always worked for him, but he was in with Mayweather and for a surprise (to me, at least).

Earlier on Hatton was trying to get in position earlier on. Punch... Clinch... Wrestle to punch again... Punch. Mayweather used elbows, shoulders, forearms, and his own strength to avoid that (and for something else too). As the fight went on, Hatton first stopped feinting on the way in (I think BEFORE the point deduction), and then he stopped doing his wrestling in any sort of efficient way (

All Hatton could land to the body was the occasional right hand. If anything it's more that Mayweather has a great inside game, better than almost anyone expected. The right hands to the body that Mayweather threw IN the clinch were painful to watch. And while doing so, he NEVER let Hatton take off with his left hook to the body.

Hatton was doing good early when he was actually moving his head. Mayweather actually said in an interview a couple days later that Hatton is "tough, strong, determined, moves his head well and a hell of a fighter". Those are his words.

I was suprised and thought Hatton would try to turn Mayweather. He usually does this and explodes on guys. Maybe it's the awkward sideway stance that had Hatton fooled. Because he really didn't do much of it.

Hatton looked a little too mug-like for my taste. Didn't look relaxed and talented. Looked more brutish (if that's a word) then usual.

At any rate, Mayweather is great and beat Hatton up pretty good. Hatton did have his moments though.

[Azteca]

Yep. Hatton turns into that left and gets plenty of leverage with it, but it was detrimental to his chances of success along the way because he just kept going back to it. Now that may get you some respect or even a knockout with a lesser opponent, but it's just an awful idea against someone like Floyd.

I noticed that the right hand to the body was landing, particularly when Hatton would come in with the left and snap the right hand downstairs.

My real problem with the Hatton approach was his lack of effective straight punches. Just to forecast a bit, the prospective opponent for Floyd now is Cotto. Something Cotto does well which I feel could work against Floyd is he comes in with a disruptive straight shot, squares his body up, and is then in position to let loose with both hands to the body. Hatton screwed up in this area by coming in with sweeping punches too often, allowing Floyd to favor one side of the body, thus helping his defensive effort.

Hatton throws a straight right hand, it's just not very rangy. He doesn't really snap it he kind of pushes it to keep a guy off him. His left hook is his best punch and Mayweather pretty much neutralized it.

ANd re Cotto:
The only part of Cotto's game in my opinion that will trouble Mayweather is his switch hitting on the inside. And of course his grueling, bruising style. Other than that I feel he is too economical in his approach to beat Mayweather. Cotto usually outboxes his opponents. I dont think he can outbox Mayweather.

[Azteca]

Teca,

Did you really have much respect for it before?

I watched Collazo pretty much neutralize Hatton's inside game. And Louise isn't even that type of fighter. That is one of the reasons I was so confident. Hatton was being tied up and tired out and wasn't landing anything crisp inside.

I know that some people (i.e. Hatton stans) say that Collazo is some huge welter. He really isn't. He did have a couple of bouts at 154. But hell, Spinks just fought at 160. Louise is an average-sized welter with below-average power.

It was hell for Spinks to make 147 for years. He barely made 147 for Judah and even then he stated before the fight it would be his last fight. The situation was similiar to how David Haye was having trouble making 185.

Dont kid yourself, spinks was a huge welter. Average sized Jr. Middle. I guess he is naturally on the smaller side.

But Collazo is also a big welter himself, IMO.