2 observations on "Undefeated"

[C'MONMANG']

You suck as a poster and are a horrible addition to this website.

Did I say that already?

yes like 3-4 times

[Parody]

yes like 3-4 times

You do suck as a poster though...5th time.

Nothing personal.

[C'MONMANG']

You do suck as a poster though...5th time.

Nothing personal.

please bro. ive you several times already. everything I claim i back up with a link as proof. I jus know more then you, face it.

[2501]

Because some people find it hard to separate their emotions from their logic. That is why I say that many posters are like women. That is what females do.

lmao and who is the one thats been banned? homie, you are in EVERY thread defending his name. A guy YOU DONT EVEN KNOW. If that doesnt scream "GROUPIE", i dont know what does. Remember, women are more prone to being groupies than men.

[C'MONMANG']

lmao and who is the one thats been banned? homie, you are in EVERY thread defending his name. A guy YOU DONT EVEN KNOW. If that doesnt scream "GROUPIE", i dont know what does. Remember, women are more prone to being groupies than men.

Parody is the SAME way...

[Azteca]

Let me first say this that I loved the way Mayweather fought this fight.
The inside skills he showed and the slickness of his action even while roughousing or wrestling elevate him to a different level than he was before in my eyes.

1) Joe Cortez actually did a horrible job, I just rewatched the fight and I paid a lot of attention to the calls he made (because there was a debate wether it was horrible I wanted to double check). They were mostly horrible. If you think otherwise maybe you need to go watch figure-skating instead. All the times he let the action go the two fighters ended up fighting on the inside while blocking at most ONE arm and wrestling to get into the best position. As much as some might think that boxing is pot-shotting from the outside, it is not. Go watch old fights and you will see Sugar Ray Robinson doing it.
Actually, IMO the fact that Floyd could out-Hatton Hatton truly separates him from most of today's fighters who can do only one thing.

NOTE: I am not mentioning the fact that Floyd did not get points deduction or not, that is Floyd being smart, I assume that Cortez was not biased, just an unbiased idiot.

2) Ricky was faster than anyone Floyd had fought, bar Judah. His hands were fast, and his feet were fast. Never saw Floyd doing so much (foot)work. Another result of that speed is that we never saw the perfect timed mutiple right hands, which often mark the finishing moments of mayweather fights. Instead...

(This is the part where I am really interested in your comments, because I want to know if I am the only one seeing it.)

Starting from round 3 (I think) Mayweather's right hand, looked like a carbon copy of Hopkins' counter right hands. The way he timed it and stepped in it, the stance from which he throws it (and the angle)... I dont think he watched Hopkins and "copied" him, but I am amazed that he had that in his arsenal, too. Anyone else sees the similarity? I think he changed his right hand because Hatton was too fast to be hit with multiple rights.

I agree with you. Mayweather used footwork more than any fight in his entire career.

He knew that he couldn't just try to pick off Hatton from the outside, he actually had to exchange.

Hatton brought the most consistent pressure i have ever seen anyone bring on Mayweather, but it wasn't as intelligent as the pressure Castillo brought.

Hatton was also moving his head well early but lost his rag after the point deduction. I felt he got sloppy, and YES I do feel the point deduction had alot to do with how the fight went after 4 rounds. Just my opinion.

Cortez should be banned from reffing major fights. He did a terrible job.

I thought he was a brawler's ref. I would expect the breaking up he did in a heavyweight fight. Not in a welterweight bout where one guys who gameplan relies on jocking for position and doing some clinching and dirty boxing.

[Avenue]

fight was ass
HBO should be shut down for making people believe hatton even stood a chance

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I agree with most of your observations. Additionally, I have some of my own

1) To beat Floyd, you need to do it in the gym by developing a totally unexpected gameplan or by bringing in a different weapon that will allow you to steal a few rounds. In the 22 rounds with two of the game's best left hookers, Floyd ate a total of zero significant left hooks.

You won't beat Floyd with your primary weapon. He will take that away from you.

True, ZERO is ridiculous, but true.

2) Hatton doesn't like it to the body. I know, "nobody does". But he started to noticeably guard against the body shots, and that opened up his face.

Well, it's not just that nobody does, but Floyd hit him with some sick ****. In one of the late rounds you could see Ricky's take a couple of those shots and see his body being rocked big time, almost lifted by those punches. It did not like watchign Floyd

3) Hatton has a bad guard, and needs to seriously work on his defense. If you notice, he holds the gloves near his chin (Tyson-style) and the punches Floyd was landing were bouncing off Hatton's forehead and snapping his head back.

Agreed, that was really bad. his guard ws bad from the get go.
He did some excellent ducking under Floyd right hands early on (dont get to see that very often), but he was mostly open for the left hook.

4) Floyd is vulnerable early in fights. I remember him tripping early in the Judah fight and nearly falling, and he did it again vs Hatton. It's like he takes 2 or 3 rounds to adjust to the guy's speed/pace and fight style. I first noticed this against Manfredy. Angel was able to do some good work. But then Floyd adjusted. Floyd would be an amazing fighter if he dedicated himself to breaking down film and became a student of the modern fighters.

... I dont know... do you think Floyd does not watch tapes? I dont quite buy that, I think it's more like watching the tape is one thing but there is no "on board camera", so yeah you can plan your work in theory but you have make soem adjustments to work your plan in the ring, especially when you fight in many ways like Mayweather does

5) Hatton is a very inaccurate puncher. He has gotten by this far on a high activity rate. I think that training on that hugely wide bag has eroded his skills.

Nope, no one is accurate on Mayweather. But Hatton is not an inaccute puncher. Actually he landed a couple of combos on Floyd, when was the last time you have seen that?

6) Graham gave no useful tactical advice and was badly outcoached. The fight REALLY swung when Roger told Floyd to stop moving away from RH ("You ain't got to move away from him... you hurtin' him inside"). There was no similar analog from Graham. I watched the fight several times, and I can't remember any useful guidance. Graham just offered encouragement.

well, he also told him to keep cool, which was needed. it's easier to give advice when your guy is taking over. I mean the advice you quoted, I could have given, and I actually thought aobut it. Floyd was fighting impeccable in teh clinches too, why move away?

7) I knew and predicted that Hatton would tire. The people who think that Hatton is a tireless machine have not watched his fights. And in this fight, he didn't even throw that many punches.

It was the punches, those sick body shots and those left hooks and right leads to the head

8) There is a method to the madness of Floyd's irritating bragging and insults. These very mature and experienced fighters allow him to get into their heads. Oscar admitted that in the weeks before (and after) the fight, he was very angry. And hatton was VERY uncharacteristic with his words and actions. A throat-slashing gesture from Ricky? Really?

Even the mature and experienced Judah is saying that if he fought Floyd again, he would do it on "skill and not emotion". There's an interview at Boxing t a l k.

it makes sense, I always thought the reason was more of a money thing.

[oldgringo]

To beat Floyd, you need to do it in the gym by developing a totally unexpected gameplan or by bringing in a different weapon that will allow you to steal a few rounds. In the 22 rounds with two of the game's best left hookers, Floyd ate a total of zero significant left hooks.

You won't beat Floyd with your primary weapon. He will take that away from you.

I disagree with the bold...I feel it goes against what you said previous. Coming into the fight with the mentality of, "I have this new weapon which will win me rounds", is the wrong way to approach the fight. Reminds me of the Pacquiao "Manila Ice" talk going into the first bout with Morales.

There is a serious flaw that I see when Hatton throws the left hook or straight. Hatton is generally in a constant state of motion, but he dips to his left before he throws the left. He did it successfully early in the fight, hitting Mayweather with a bit of a glancing shot when he was off balance. He kept doing it throughout the fight though and I believe Mayweather made the adjustment to that trigger. The sequence and punch that sealed the knockout should be evidence of this.

It's like Jermain Taylor when he ****s the elbow to throw the jab. Hopkins took his jab away, I'm guessing with the help of that indicator.

Hatton failed to mix up his attack as the fight moved on. He ran out of options and went back to the same old sweeping left hook/fall in and clinch routine. Hatton often lost his opportunities to score because he didn't give himself space. Floyd wanted him to do that and he trapped him.

A fighter's money punch can be very useful against Floyd as long to the punch isn't used as a security blanket. A fighter who can beat Floyd is a fighter who makes adjustments with Floyd, who understands that a variety of punches up and down are necessary, who knows when to apply pressure and when to feint and give angles. The guy has to understand that he's going to take some major abuse too.

To beat Floyd, you need to do it in the gym by developing a totally unexpected gameplan.

yessir

[Avenue]

in conclusion .. " to beat floyd u gon need 4 arms and 2 heads"