2 observations on "Undefeated"

[Azteca]

I disagree with the bold...I feel it goes against what you said previous. Coming into the fight with the mentality of, "I have this new weapon which will win me rounds", is the wrong way to approach the fight. Reminds me of the Pacquiao "Manila Ice" talk going into the first bout with Morales.

There is a serious flaw that I see when Hatton throws the left hook or straight. Hatton is generally in a constant state of motion, but he dips to his left before he throws the left. He did it successfully early in the fight, hitting Mayweather with a bit of a glancing shot when he was off balance. He kept doing it throughout the fight though and I believe Mayweather made the adjustment to that trigger. The sequence and punch that sealed the knockout should be evidence of this.

It's like Jermain Taylor when he ****s the elbow to throw the jab. Hopkins took his jab away, I'm guessing with the help of that indicator.

Hatton failed to mix up his attack as the fight moved on. He ran out of options and went back to the same old sweeping left hook/fall in and clinch routine. Hatton often lost his opportunities to score because he didn't give himself space. Floyd wanted him to do that and he trapped him.

A fighter's money punch can be very useful against Floyd as long to the punch isn't used as a security blanket. A fighter who can beat Floyd is a fighter who makes adjustments with Floyd, who understands that a variety of punches up and down are necessary, who knows when to apply pressure and when to feint and give angles. The guy has to understand that he's going to take some major abuse too.



yessir

Agreed with you. Orthodox fighters have a habit of slightly favoring their right side when they are pressing, but Hatton is the opposite. He telegraphs the left body work and is left heavy.

And Hatton wasn't even trying to turn Mayweather either. No switching the angle when he smothered. Just trying to smother and land some clubbing shots.

I lost a lot of respect for Hatton's inside game.

[-Antonio-]

I disagree with the bold...I feel it goes against what you said previous. Coming into the fight with the mentality of, "I have this new weapon which will win me rounds", is the wrong way to approach the fight. Reminds me of the Pacquiao "Manila Ice" talk going into the first bout with Morales.

There is a serious flaw that I see when Hatton throws the left hook or straight. Hatton is generally in a constant state of motion, but he dips to his left before he throws the left. He did it successfully early in the fight, hitting Mayweather with a bit of a glancing shot when he was off balance. He kept doing it throughout the fight though and I believe Mayweather made the adjustment to that trigger. The sequence and punch that sealed the knockout should be evidence of this.

It's like Jermain Taylor when he ****s the elbow to throw the jab. Hopkins took his jab away, I'm guessing with the help of that indicator.

Hatton failed to mix up his attack as the fight moved on. He ran out of options and went back to the same old sweeping left hook/fall in and clinch routine. Hatton often lost his opportunities to score because he didn't give himself space. Floyd wanted him to do that and he trapped him.

A fighter's money punch can be very useful against Floyd as long to the punch isn't used as a security blanket. A fighter who can beat Floyd is a fighter who makes adjustments with Floyd, who understands that a variety of punches up and down are necessary, who knows when to apply pressure and when to feint and give angles. The guy has to understand that he's going to take some major abuse too.



yessir

Well said.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

I lost a lot of respect for Hatton's inside game.

Teca,

Did you really have much respect for it before?

I watched Collazo pretty much neutralize Hatton's inside game. And Louise isn't even that type of fighter. That is one of the reasons I was so confident. Hatton was being tied up and tired out and wasn't landing anything crisp inside.

I know that some people (i.e. Hatton stans) say that Collazo is some huge welter. He really isn't. He did have a couple of bouts at 154. But hell, Spinks just fought at 160. Louise is an average-sized welter with below-average power.

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Agreed with you. Orthodox fighters have a habit of slightly favoring their right side when they are pressing, but Hatton is the opposite. He telegraphs the left body work and is left heavy.

And Hatton wasn't even trying to turn Mayweather either. No switching the angle when he smothered. Just trying to smother and land some clubbing shots.

I lost a lot of respect for Hatton's inside game.

Nah, Hatton was doing his thing decently, he was trying to do something that always worked for him, but he was in with Mayweather and for a surprise (to me, at least).

Earlier on Hatton was trying to get in position earlier on. Punch... Clinch... Wrestle to punch again... Punch. Mayweather used elbows, shoulders, forearms, and his own strength to avoid that (and for something else too). As the fight went on, Hatton first stopped feinting on the way in (I think BEFORE the point deduction), and then he stopped doing his wrestling in any sort of efficient way (

All Hatton could land to the body was the occasional right hand. If anything it's more that Mayweather has a great inside game, better than almost anyone expected. The right hands to the body that Mayweather threw IN the clinch were painful to watch. And while doing so, he NEVER let Hatton take off with his left hook to the body.

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Teca,

Did you really have much respect for it before?

I watched Collazo pretty much neutralize Hatton's inside game. And Louise isn't even that type of fighter. That is one of the reasons I was so confident. Hatton was being tied up and tired out and wasn't landing anything crisp inside.

I know that some people (i.e. Hatton stans) say that Collazo is some huge welter. He really isn't. He did have a couple of bouts at 154. But hell, Spinks just fought at 160. Louise is an average-sized welter with below-average power.

Collazo weighed under 147 for very few of his fights, possibly only the title fights. And (courtesy of boxrec) At 19 he was already weighing at 150 or over 47 anyways. That is not an "average" welter, unless by average you mean Williams, Margarito or Tommy Hearns, and sure enough is quite bigger than Hatton, unlike Mayweather who weighed less than Mayweather on fight night.

In the first rounds of the Collazo fight it was already clear there was something wrong with Hatton, In the first rounds of the Mayweather fight, the only thing that was clear is that Mayweather's vaunted bag of tricks is actually ****in' deep as he claimed.

[Horus]

I disagree with the bold...I feel it goes against what you said previous. Coming into the fight with the mentality of, "I have this new weapon which will win me rounds", is the wrong way to approach the fight. Reminds me of the Pacquiao "Manila Ice" talk going into the first bout with Morales.

There is a serious flaw that I see when Hatton throws the left hook or straight. Hatton is generally in a constant state of motion, but he dips to his left before he throws the left. He did it successfully early in the fight, hitting Mayweather with a bit of a glancing shot when he was off balance. He kept doing it throughout the fight though and I believe Mayweather made the adjustment to that trigger. The sequence and punch that sealed the knockout should be evidence of this.

It's like Jermain Taylor when he ****s the elbow to throw the jab. Hopkins took his jab away, I'm guessing with the help of that indicator.

Hatton failed to mix up his attack as the fight moved on. He ran out of options and went back to the same old sweeping left hook/fall in and clinch routine. Hatton often lost his opportunities to score because he didn't give himself space. Floyd wanted him to do that and he trapped him.

A fighter's money punch can be very useful against Floyd as long to the punch isn't used as a security blanket. A fighter who can beat Floyd is a fighter who makes adjustments with Floyd, who understands that a variety of punches up and down are necessary, who knows when to apply pressure and when to feint and give angles. The guy has to understand that he's going to take some major abuse too.



yessir

BEST POST OF THE THREAD RIGHT HERE....!!!

[oldgringo]

Nah, Hatton was doing his thing decently, he was trying to do something that always worked for him, but he was in with Mayweather and for a surprise (to me, at least).

Earlier on Hatton was trying to get in position earlier on. Punch... Clinch... Wrestle to punch again... Punch. Mayweather used elbows, shoulders, forearms, and his own strength to avoid that (and for something else too). As the fight went on, Hatton first stopped feinting on the way in (I think BEFORE the point deduction), and then he stopped doing his wrestling in any sort of efficient way (

All Hatton could land to the body was the occasional right hand. If anything it's more that Mayweather has a great inside game, better than almost anyone expected. The right hands to the body that Mayweather threw IN the clinch were painful to watch. And while doing so, he NEVER let Hatton take off with his left hook to the body.

Hatton didn't help himself out in that capacity either. The spatial relationship between the two was unlike that of Hatton's other bouts. I have become accustomed to seeing Hatton throw, fall in, rough house a bit, step back and almost immediately explode with short punches to the body.

Now Floyd's fast, accurate shots inside certainly discouraged him from throwing to the body with the left, but Hatton really didn't leave himself much room to land those shots. Hardly even took the chance down the stretch of the fight.

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There is a serious flaw that I see when Hatton throws the left hook or straight. Hatton is generally in a constant state of motion, but he dips to his left before he throws the left. He did it successfully early in the fight, hitting Mayweather with a bit of a glancing shot when he was off balance. He kept doing it throughout the fight though and I believe Mayweather made the adjustment to that trigger. The sequence and punch that sealed the knockout should be evidence of this.

It's true that Hatton dips but that gives more leverage to his left hook, that's why he could do some of the "nice" things (such as breaking ribs putting people on their asses and so on) he did with that punch throughout his career, there is a tradeoff between sneakiness and power there. He should have been able to adjust when in the ring with Mayweather, but I am not sure that is the biggest problem with Hatton throwing the left, I think that would be the fact that his right hand is nowhere close to where it should be.

He was able to hit Mayweather with his left but was more succesful with the right, in particular to the body. If you look closely Hatton probably does not land a single left hook to the body. Mayweather's stance at midrange and his ducking under while getting up close (correct my not so great english if what I just typed makes no sense, but what I mean is Mayweather would slip under and put the left side of his body in front of Hatton) took care of that.

Rest of the post you are right, when Hatton stopped mixing punches, he was out of the fight.

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Hatton didn't help himself out in that capacity either. The spatial relationship between the two was unlike that of Hatton's other bouts. I have become accustomed to seeing Hatton throw, fall in, rough house a bit, step back and almost immediately explode with short punches to the body.

Now Floyd's fast, accurate shots inside certainly discouraged him from throwing to the body with the left, but Hatton really didn't leave himself much room to land those shots. Hardly even took the chance down the stretch of the fight.

That's what I expected that little space and those sweet angled and leveraged bodyshots, what I did not expect was Mayweather's solution, which puts him so much higher in my eyes: Rough it up and clinch, or stay on the outside and never on the range favoured by Hatton.

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OG, I see your point.

Hatton not leaving himself space.

I have to watch it again... DAMN

Earlier on I am sure that it was Mayweather doing the holding. But later on he did not need to, you are right. I wanna watch the fight to see if Mayweather was doing anything to discourage that, Mayweather is a really negative fighter, but he is great at that. No matter who is in front of him, he is going to make him do something he does not want to. The thing that bothers me is that either I just dont see it, or it's just the punching.