..Kelly Pavlik: What Can He Do?...

[revs1227]

Well, he can get a bit of a tan for a starter.

wtf does that have 2 do with n e thing ???????...
anyway
i agree almost 100%
theres really nothin much 2 add 2 that ..except i think winky would be added 2 the last list with calz and kessler ...but i dont know if winkys arms can take those shots all night ...hopkins would also give him trouble ...he is akward

[Njord777]

I swear to god 90% of this forum are a bunch of dolts.

Because...I don't agree...or...? Was that directed at me?

[Azteca]

It was directed at you. You're entertaining me.

[Sweet Pete]

I agree with you that Pavlik is becoming a band-wagon fighter when he's really a champion with a lot to prove. I just can't understand why Bika, who is simply unorthodox but not a strong puncher, or incredibly gifted, is something Pavlik can't handle. I think Kelly would just pressure a journeymen like Bika and KO him around the 7th.

I know Wright is on the down-slope but, in my book if he can fight with a much, much bigger man like Hopkins and not get hurt he's got enough left in the tank to outbox a green fighter like Kelly. Yes, I know Bernard is old himself and less active, so you can't say Wright was amazing to keep himself together in that fight...but skill beats size in many cases.

Forrest is small compared to Pavlik. Damn small; I agree. That said, I think he has enough skill that he could muscle out a decision if he keeps himself VERY focused and protects himself well. I'd give him way more of a shot than Bika. While Bika has unorthodox punches at least Forrest has good technical ability and better speed. Forrest is rangy for a welterweight/Jr. middleweight and actually has a longer reach than Bika, too. That'd help.

Well, being as I've only seen the fight vs Calzaghe with Bika, perhaps I overrate him, if you've seen more. And still stands the fact that I picked Pavlik over Bika.

I disagree that Forrest has any chance though, Winky a bigger chance, but not enough to favor.

[Njord777]

It was directed at you. You're entertaining me.

I may not post much now but I've been here awhile and generally get good karma for explaining the logic behind my posts. I'm not a dolt because I disagree with what you think is right. I don't just run my mouth like a fool...I explain why I think as I do. I may disagree with some of what Sweat Pete is saying...but I respect his logic. You just call me a dolt for not agreeing and call it day. I applaud you.

[THe TRiNiTY]

I made sure not to overate his power. I went with his overall skills. He's still a very good fighter. Has a decent list of opponents to work with, aswell.

[Njord777]

Well, being as I've only seen the fight vs Calzaghe with Bika, perhaps I overrate him, if you've seen more. And still stands the fact that I picked Pavlik over Bika.

I disagree that Forrest has any chance though, Winky a bigger chance, but not enough to favor.

I watched Bika against Calzaghe- before that the Beyer fight and then I saw him piddle paddle in the latest Contender. I'm not saying I'd back Forrest to the death- he is much smaller and I don't think he's the best boxer out there, I wouldn't even call myself a fan, I'm just more sold on his ability than Bika and was backing him to illustrate a point.

[Ryn0]

Almost all those guys have never been hit by a guy like Pavlik. If his record shows anything, it's that his KO % is no fluke, and that's scary. He's KOed a world class opponent in Taylor, and a tough as nails in Miranda. I think that goes to show that he puts all his opponents in a state of a shock when they get hit by him, as they've never been hit by anyone like that before. I think he has a real good chance against any middleweight/super middleweight out there.

Calzaghe and Kessler would beat his convincingly. Kessler being the bigger man with great control of the ring centre would command pavlik and force him backward, something Pavlik isn't used to doing. His hard straight's would KO pavlik being as he is the harder puncher than Taylor.

Calzaghe has alot of movement and an amazing chin, he would hit Pavlik with shots from all angles and move he and would change styles to one that would fit Pavlik and would hit him at will much like he did against Lacy. Lacy was a murderous puncher as well, he just couldn't touch Calzaghe and before Calzaghe he proberbly hit as hard as Pavlik. Calzaghe just outclassed him.

[RichCCFC]

Right, seeing as I favour the SMW and Middleweight divisions maybe I could have a good go at this list.

The following is just an educated guess as Pavlik has yet to have gone 12 rounds!

Arthur Abraham - I said before Arthur would win but recently changed my mind, Pavlik can break that defence imo - Pavlik KO
Edison Miranda - Happened already. @ 168? I don't see it being much different. - Pavlik KO.
Joe Calzaghe - Joe will box cleverly and avoid trading with Pavlik - Calzaghe wide UD.
Jeff Lacy - Jeff is too easy to hit nowadays, he just stands right in front of his opponents. Their power may be equal, who knows but I'm sure Pavlik will hit him too many times. - Pavlik UD or late TKO.
Lucian Bute - I like Bute and I think he can give Pavlik some problems, just not yet... - Pavlik UD or late TKO if it happens any time soon, look for Bute to win if it happens in a few years time.
Carl Froch - Although I think Froch is good and he can ****, his left hand is way too low. - Pavlik early KO.
Mikkel Kessler - This guy is a great counter puncher so stylisticly this is a great match up for Kessler. - Kessler KO.
Vernon Forrest - I doubt Forrest would be able to carry the weight well. - Pavlik KO.
Felix Sturm - Pavlik KO.
Winky Wright - Winky looked sluggish against Hopkins @ 170 and I think it would be in his best interest to fight at 154 seeing as he is getting older now too. Pavlik breaks his defence a few times but not enough to KO him - Pavlik UD.
Sakio Bika - I think Pavlik will KO Bika if he fights similar to he did against Miranda (backing him up). - Pavlik KO.
Anthony Mundine - Mundine is underrated. He fights like Roy Jones, he has a great defence and is technically sound (watch the Mundine vs Kessler fight) but I'm still going for Pavlik late KO due to Mundine's eye problem. - Pavlik late KO.
Librado Andrade - Watch Andrade vs Kessler fight but I think Andrade may cope better against Pavlik than he did against Kessler because he can hit Pavlik easier. - Pavlik wide UD.
Bernard Hopkins - As much as I dislike Hopkins I think he wins this fight, even at 43 years of age. Too many angles for Pavlik, like Calzaghe I think he will out box him. - Hopkins UD.

[Dorian]

Well, he can get a bit of a tan for a starter.

agreed