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  • THe TRiNiTY
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    ..Kelly Pavlik: What Can He Do?...

    Arthur Abraham
    Edison Miranda
    Joe Calzaghe
    Jeff Lacy
    Lucian Bute
    Carl Froch
    Mikkel Kessler
    Vernon Forrest
    Felix Sturm
    Winky Wright
    Sakio Bika
    Anthony Mundine
    Librado Andrade
    Bernard Hopkins

    That's a rough copy of a list of opponents I think Kelly Pavlik COULD actually fight. Doubt he fights most of them. Don't think AT ALL that he'll fight the majority of them. Nonetheless, he has PLENTY of options. Provided he doesn't look bad in his return with Taylor. (Since he'll still be a world champion, either way)

    I've broken down the list into three sections. People He'll Beat, Toss Up Matches and People He'll Lose To. This is obviously just my opinion and I can understand if every disagrees. Nonetheless, here goes.

    ..People He'll Beat...
    Sakio Bika, Librado Andrade, Edison Miranda, Jeff Lacy, Vernon Forrest, Anthony Mundine.

    With Sakio, he just outclasses him. He would keep him at range until a big shot, mid-fight would put him down. The main reason I'd want to see him and Andrade would be to see if the power of Pavlik could finally crack that iron jaw of Librado's. I doubt it. The Miranda rematch is in here, strictly for entertainment purposes. At this point, there is no reason to assume that the return would go any different. Lacy is a shell of his former self, nonetheless, it'd be a big name to add to the list for Pavlik. Forrest, though more skilled is PROBABLY outsized. Still, it'd be a very good fight. Mundine is good at a lot of things, but not really GREAT at any one particular thing. Whereas Pavlik is good at a lot of things, and GREAT with power shots. That wins it.

    ..Toss Up Matches...
    Bernard Hopkins, Winky Wright, Arthur Abraham, Felix Sturm, Lucian Bute, Carl Froch.

    He has a decent change beating these guys or losing to them in my opinion. Obviously, nonetheless I don't want people thinking I can't make up my mind. Hopkins is old, CLEARLY, lol, and it's hard oto say exactly what he has left. Until he faces someone other than a guy like Wright, I can't really say. With Wright, read Hopkins and reverse the names. Abraham, is overrated to me BUT who's to say by how much? Perhaps he deserves the praise. Sturm has lapses sometimes, but in his biggest fights, seems to pull it out. Good fundamentals. Does a lot of things right and can take a decent punch. His problem is that he can't punch. Bute is a bit unknown to me. So I didn't want to sell him short or jump on the bandwagon too soon. Regardless, I've heard some good things. Carl Froch is about the same as Bute, though I've seen Froch fight 4 or 5 times.

    ..People He'll Lose To...
    Joe Calzaghe, Mikkel Kessler.

    I just can't see him beating either of these guys. Calzaghe has too much movement. He's a bit bigger then what Pavlik would be used to, so he could get that respect out of him and he's also throwing combinations. Solid chin and defense, so it's a tough night for Pavlik even if he manages to win. I'd go with Calzaghe. Kessler is more of the same. A bigger, strong, fast guy. Great fundamentals and even more, is a bit stronger than Calzaghe. I don't see Pavlik beating him.

    By the way, before people try to say I'm selling him short. Here's something to think about. His record at this moment stands at 32-0-0. If he beat all the guys I think he would, won half of the toss up fights, and lost to half. Then Kessler and Calzaghe. His record would still be.. 41-5-0. That's actually a pretty good record, if you're looking at this line-up.

    Your thoughts, opinions, critiques, personal ideas on the subject.....
    Last edited by THe TRiNiTY; 12-25-2007, 02:19 PM.
  • Welter_Skelter
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    #2
    Well worded objective and fair Thread... And pretty agreeable as well..

    DOnt think there is anything I can add to it..

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    • ELPacman
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      #3
      Almost all those guys have never been hit by a guy like Pavlik. If his record shows anything, it's that his KO % is no fluke, and that's scary. He's KOed a world class opponent in Taylor, and a tough as nails in Miranda. I think that goes to show that he puts all his opponents in a state of a shock when they get hit by him, as they've never been hit by anyone like that before. I think he has a real good chance against any middleweight/super middleweight out there.

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      • RichCCFC
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        #4
        Mundine might do very well vs him actually, he is a very good boxer and has a great defence. I agree with the rest of this though.

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          This is a pretty good list. Of probable opponents, I think Abraham gives him trouble if he can get inside and get him and Winky Wright could outbox him. The others I think he beats.
          He probably won't ever get a chance to fight Calzaghe or Kessler which I agree would be very tough fights that he would probably lose.

          JReckoning

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          • BrooklynBomber
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            #6
            Well, he can get a bit of a tan for a starter.

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            • THe TRiNiTY
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              #7
              Originally posted by BrooklynBomber
              Well, he can get a bit of a tan for a starter.
              Actually, I think the Moby look is working for him.

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              • Njord777
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                #8
                You don't have to agree with me- but I'm not sold on the longevity of Kelly Pavlik. I like the guy and I think he has heart.....but I see plenty of danger out there for him. I think people are just in love with his power. Hear me out:

                Miranda and Taylor. Those are the two men Kelly has built 90% of his current fan base fighting. He knocked them both out and that makes most fan's **** hard. Miranda was shown to be what many critics suggested, though, a rough brawler. That fight, in my book, simply elevated Kelly to the level of having enough technical skill to be considered a boxer rather than a brawler himself. Still, offense was his defense that fight as Miranda was unable to get set to punch and pretty much became a human heavy bag.

                Then there's Taylor. Jermain was winning the fight in my book. He hurt Kelly early; why? Because Kelly has some defensive flaws. Taylor is not an incredibly hard hitter. If Kessler fought him I'd pick him to put Kelly down.

                I just think Pavlik has proven his drive, will, heart- and power...but still has many questions. Jermain hurt him...and could have won if he didn't get caught. Kelly is not going to be able to fight Jermain Taylors his whole career- who many of us have been critical of for quite some time since he began beating up on little men.

                My current take on your list:

                Fighters who I would pick over Kelly Pavlik:


                Forrest. (I'll take his skill over Pavlik and say he doesn't get caught with anything big and slides by on decision.)

                Hopkins (Bigger man who won't get caught with anything at all and will use his old school techniques to pull out a win- I only pick Bernard if he fights him WITHIN the next year.)

                Wright (Too much skill.)

                Abraham (I also still consider him a bit more solid.)

                Calzaghe. (From the sixth on will look a lot like the Lacy fight.)

                Kessler. (He can **** with Kelly and is more solid fundamentally.)

                That's a half dozen man who, I think, could end Pavlik's championship reign as it stands this second. That's dangerous.

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                  #9
                  Arthur Abraham- Pavlik by KO
                  Edison Miranda- We know this one
                  Joe Calzaghe- Calzaghe by TKO or Decision
                  Jeff Lacy- Pavlik by Decision
                  Lucian Bute- Bute by Decision
                  Carl Froch- Pavlik by KO
                  Mikkel Kessler- Kessler by KO
                  Vernon Forrest- Pavlik by KO
                  Felix Sturm- Pavlik by KO
                  Winky Wright- Pavlik by Decision
                  Sakio Bika- Tough one, I'd favor Pavlik
                  Anthony Mundine- Pavlik by KO
                  Librado Andrade- See Kessler/Andrade
                  Bernard Hopkins- Hopkins by Decision(depending on Hopkins state by the time they fought)

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                  • Azteca
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by C-Drone
                    Arthur Abraham
                    Edison Miranda
                    Joe Calzaghe
                    Jeff Lacy
                    Lucian Bute
                    Carl Froch
                    Mikkel Kessler
                    Vernon Forrest
                    Felix Sturm
                    Winky Wright
                    Sakio Bika
                    Anthony Mundine
                    Librado Andrade
                    Bernard Hopkins
                    Not a very good list of fighters he can fight.

                    Zag will retire in a year or so. Winkster will retire in a year or so. Bernard has one more fight in him.

                    But other than that, it's ok

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