Roy Jones Jr vs Sugar Ray Robinson

[The Wire]

Jones has a sensibly larger build than Robinson (Robinson was making 47 on fight night at age 29, jones was coming in the ring close to 180 at that age...), at 160 he would have a 10lbs advantage on fight night (or he wouldnt be able to make 160). Robinson's hope is that 160 Jones is really green. Otherwise Jones takes it.

Pound 4 Pound Robinson would be just too much for Jones.

I don't agree but at least you have a coherent argument.

Personally I think Robinson's skills set would shock Jones who would never have been in with anyone like Robinson before. I also think Robinson's speed would have shocked Roy, and that Ray would have watched countless tapes of Roy's fights and found a weakness like he did against Turpin.

[The Wire]

were not comparing resumes on this thread? which is apparently what your doing... were comparing who would win prime for prime... most likely at MW... which was neither of their best weights... its a reasonable argument.. and your argument is on a different topic...

But in order to sensibly look at that argument we have to consider what they did in the ring, and I believe that due to what he accomplished within the squared circle he would have been too accomplished for Roy at 160

[THE REED]

But in order to sensibly look at that argument we have to consider what they did in the ring, and I believe that due to what he accomplished within the squared circle he would have been too accomplished for Roy at 160

just because you have a better resume doesnt mean your going to beat the other guy

Jones vs Tarver for example... tarver was 21-1 when he knocked roy out, and hadnt really beaten anyone...

and u talk about SRR speed... but he wasnt as fast at mw as he was at ww... and what about roys speed... i dont honestly think srr fought anyone as quick as roy either...

[Ryn0]

Sugar Ray Robinson at 160. Roy's Prime was at 168lb.

At 160 he wasn't even experienced enough.


But if we take out all the technical stuff, Roy is the best fighter of my generation that i've seen, including floyd. At his prime, he is a better fighter then SRR

Jones was more talented true but if were talking Pound for Pound his style would get him into trouble, against the true greats not the Toneys (who was a great fighter) but the P4P greats who can switch up their style Roy would be beaten.

Roy never showed any versatitlity because he never had to and when the time came where he needed to change his style he couldn't and Tarver/Johnson had hs number.

at 160 Roy Jones close UD, Pound for Pound I'd have to say Robinson KO

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I don't agree but at least you have a coherent argument.

Personally I think Robinson's skills set would shock Jones who would never have been in with anyone like Robinson before. I also think Robinson's speed would have shocked Roy, and that Ray would have watched countless tapes of Roy's fights and found a weakness like he did against Turpin.

Robinson never fought anyone with Jones' unorthodox style. In fact the only guy with similar moves (Burley), he didnt want to fight.

As I said, p4p different story (Ray seen it pretty much all), but with their real size, I would go with Jones, who was already pretty mature at 24 (when he last fought at 160), making my clause less relevant.

The fighter from the past of similar size, which I would pick to beat Jones and be pretty damn sure about it would be Charles.

[Parody]

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HOW THE HELL DO YOU HAVE ROY "ALWAYS FOUGHT BUMS" JONES BEATING THE GREATEST FIGHTER OF ALL TIME?! ARE YOU ****ING INSANE?!?!

So Toney, Hopkins, Hill, McCallum, Griffin were all bums? Are you really this ****** or are you trolling on purpose? P4P Robinson wins like I said, Middleweight was not his best weight, Welterweight was. Roy's best weight was 160-168 and he would beat most fighters out there in his Prime, Yes thats includes anyone in your sig, not just win but prime for prime straight out beat them.

[Parody]

Robinson never fought anyone with Jones' unorthodox style. In fact the only guy with similar moves (Burley), he didnt want to fight.

As I said, p4p different story (Ray seen it pretty much all), but with their real size, I would go with Jones, who was already pretty mature at 24 (when he last fought at 160), making my clause less relevant.

The fighter from the past of similar size, which I would pick to beat Jones and be pretty damn sure about it would be Charles.

These guys seem new to the sport, seriously. There are VERY few fighters to NONE fighters that I would pick against Jones at 160-168 during 1994-2000. And Robinson is at size disadvantage big time here, he was a big Welterweight while Roy was a big middleweight who went up to Heavyweight. Robinson tried going to Light Heavyweight...you complete the rest wmute, to be fair though he was out of his prime, but so was Roy slightly when he faced Ruiz. Again in a P4P match-up Robinson wins, at 160 or anywhere above Roy wins.

Also Eddie Futch said Burley was an exact counterpuncher like Roy Jones and one of the most complete fighters.

[The Wire]

These guys seem new to the sport, seriously. There are VERY few fighters to NONE fighters that I would pick against Jones at 160-168 during 1994-2000. And Robinson is at size disadvantage big time here, he was a big Welterweight while Roy was a big middleweight who went up to Heavyweight. Robinson tried going to Light Heavyweight...you complete the rest wmute, to be fair though he was out of his prime, but so was Roy slightly when he faced Ruiz. Again in a P4P match-up Robinson wins, at 160 or anywhere above Roy wins.

Also Eddie Futch said Burley was an exact counterpuncher like Roy Jones and one of the most complete fighters.

But my point is that Roy had a style that was great to watch but that wasn't very versatile. He looked great against the limited opposition he faced. ****, when I go on the heavy bag I get people coming up to me asking how long I've boxed because I look good. Put me in against any half decent pro and they'd wipe the floor with me. My point being that Roy would have lost because he wouldn't have been prepared for the skill level he would have encountered with Ray.

The thing is I really despair over Roy's career. I think he had the tools to be a true ATG but that for whatever reason he avoided the big fights. I also think that this would directly lead to his defeat by Ray Robinson.

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But my point is that Roy had a style that was great to watch but that wasn't very versatile. He looked great against the limited opposition he faced. ****, when I go on the heavy bag I get people coming up to me asking how long I've boxed because I look good. Put me in against any half decent pro and they'd wipe the floor with me. My point being that Roy would have lost because he wouldn't have been prepared for the skill level he would have encountered with Ray.

The thing is I really despair over Roy's career. I think he had the tools to be a true ATG but that for whatever reason he avoided the big fights. I also think that this would directly lead to his defeat by Ray Robinson.

It's a great point that Robinson could do it all, saw it all, and in fact did it all, but Jones is NOT Joey Maxi, he is a *special* bigger man.

Personally my rule in close cases is that a *special* fighter (from recent times I would call special only Mayweather, Jones, Whitaker, you can imagine the names from the past) would not lose to a smaller man.

Jones and Mayweather careers piss me off quite a bit, but it's modern boxing, oldtimers would have done the same. Burley and Williams would not have fought SEVEN times if they paid him more money.

I never get tired of typing this: imagine Hopkins-Jones-Toney fighting each other 5 times.... a ****in dream, that's what it would be

[GreatestIam]

Roy outclasses him duran style, he's to elusive, more accurate and overall a better fighter in his prime.