Witter gatecrashing Hatton victory in 2000 (video!)

[FrankieBB]

For a guy who's got Mayweather sigged and in his avatar, I find THAT statement, very interesting.

Difference being Mayweather doesn't run his mouth to get a fight because for years he's been the man to beat so he didn't need to do that ****. Agreed with what Black Jesus said, after the Gatti fight nobody including Hatton wanted anything to do with Floyd.

Back to the original argument though somebody else hit the nail on the head earlier, Hatton and Witter should both just clear out the divison then get it on at Wembley. There's probably be alot more interest in the fight over in the states aswel if that happened.

[El Jesus]

I think floyds style evolved, what C-Drone is saying is right, he doesnt absorb more damage at all, i mean, his face still resembles his knickname, its still near impossible to get a good clean power shot on him. Hatton was all in his grill and landed what, 52 punches? Mayweather closes up shop, this is true, but god forbid when he opens up, like he did in the middle rounds. I think floyd adjusts to who hes fighting, against Zab he didint lay on the ropes at all, against more aggressive DLH/Hatton he waited for him to come to him and made them pay everytime.

I think being at a higher weight he excersizes caution, HOWEVER, he doesnt look worse off, hes fightign bigger guys and winning decisively 4 divisions up from his prime weight. Even if hes throwing less combinations, he does it when he needs to or when he sees an opening, he could have pot shotted hatton the rest of the night, but when he saw hatton was vunerable, and when he promised "this fight will go toe to toe", he lived up to it, i cant fault him for that, he knocked his ass to the floor in one of the funniest knockouts id ever seen.


Either way, Hatton could virtually erase the mayweather knockout with a KO of his own of witter, the problem is, Witter could end up kicking hattons ass which would look even worse.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Difference being Mayweather doesn't run his mouth to get a fight because for years he's been the man to beat so he didn't need to do that ****. Agreed with what Black Jesus said, after the Gatti fight nobody including Hatton wanted anything to do with Floyd.

Back to the original argument though somebody else hit the nail on the head earlier, Hatton and Witter should both just clear out the divison then get it on at Wembley. There's probably be alot more interest in the fight over in the states aswel if that happened.

Actually.. since he was in the lightweight division, he was CONSTANTLY talking about a De La Hoya showdown. That was his dream showdown. For a very long time. And at any point, would badmouth Oscar, if given the chance.

[Benny Leonard]

He throws less, due to more risk. He's not a REAL 147 pounder. That's all. More he throws, more he's open, more he can get countered. The more HURT, he can get.

Furthermore, he doesn't absorb punches. He rolls them off. Hardly getting hit. His face is never really even bruised or bloodied.

I can honor your opinion, I just don't think he's declined. He will soon, especially with a long Kostya Tszyu-like layoff. But, he's at that flat level, so to speak, in my personal opinion.

I forgot to mention his speed doesn't seem quite the same since he moved to 147. Still fast, yes, but Zab was quicker. Zab may have been always quicker, but not that much quicker than the Lightweight Floyd.

Floyd wasn't scared to open up against Chico, a hard hitter. True, a lightweight, but a big MF lightweight.

You cannot hit what you cannot catch. These fighters at 147 are not as quick as lightweights. He can pop the jab and move in and out. That's what a young Ali was doing.

You have to remember, Hatton wasn't a big fighter, no Welterweight, yet Floyd fought him the same way. Why?

[El Jesus]

I forgot to mention his speed doesn't seem quite the same since he moved to 147. Still fast, yes, but Zab was quicker. Zab may have been always quicker, but not that much quicker than the Lightweight Floyd.

Floyd wasn't scared to open up against Chico, a hard hitter. True, a lightweight, but a big MF lightweight.

You cannot hit what you cannot catch. These fighters at 147 are not as quick as lightweights. He can pop the jab and move in and out. That's what a young Ali was doing.

You have to remember, Hatton wasn't a big fighter, no Welterweight, yet Floyd fought him the same way. Why?

he was waiting to see what hatton had to offer, once he saw the openings, he capitolized and hatton took a beating, not to mention, hatton crowding and smothering him like he was made the fight a little difficult early on.

[THe TRiNiTY]

I forgot to mention his speed doesn't seem quite the same since he moved to 147. Still fast, yes, but Zab was quicker. Zab may have been always quicker, but not that much quicker than the Lightweight Floyd.

Floyd wasn't scared to open up against Chico, a hard hitter. True, a lightweight, but a big MF lightweight.

You cannot hit what you cannot catch. These fighters at 147 are not as quick as lightweights. He can pop the jab and move in and out. That's what a young Ali was doing.

You have to remember, Hatton wasn't a big fighter, no Welterweight, yet Floyd fought him the same way. Why?

He wasn't a big welterweight, not even a welterweight. But, once again, neither is Floyd. Secondly, ANYTHING coming at you like Hatton tried to do, you'll have to adjust to. You have to be a bit more cerebral when you learn the tricks of the trade. You can't just throw it all to the wind and say, **** it, every time. You'll eventually get caught.

Chico is a different story. Mayweather was younger at the time, so he had more to prove. The risk was worth it at this point in his career. He was in his natural weight division and he also had the ability to use faster movement at that point in his life.

He's a TAD bit slower than he was, but that also has to do with being a thinking fighter. The more you think, the slower you act/react. It's a small price to pay, when you can advance how smart you become in the ring.

[El Jesus]

Actually.. since he was in the lightweight division, he was CONSTANTLY talking about a De La Hoya showdown. That was his dream showdown. For a very long time. And at any point, would badmouth Oscar, if given the chance.

he did it during his last fight at 135 with Ndou.

[squealpiggy]

You cannot keep letting this guy get up there in age without fighting him, that's a shame.

Paulie is young.
Torres is young.
Hopkins is young.

Witter has tenure...it's time to fight him.

So that when Hatton fights and beats him you can say Witter was past his prime?

[Benny Leonard]

I think floyds style evolved, what C-Drone is saying is right, he doesnt absorb more damage at all, i mean, his face still resembles his knickname, its still near impossible to get a good clean power shot on him. Hatton was all in his grill and landed what, 52 punches? Mayweather closes up shop, this is true, but god forbid when he opens up, like he did in the middle rounds. I think floyd adjusts to who hes fighting, against Zab he didint lay on the ropes at all, against more aggressive DLH/Hatton he waited for him to come to him and made them pay everytime.

I think being at a higher weight he excersizes caution, HOWEVER, he doesnt look worse off, hes fightign bigger guys and winning decisively 4 divisions up from his prime weight. Even if hes throwing less combinations, he does it when he needs to or when he sees an opening, he could have pot shotted hatton the rest of the night, but when he saw hatton was vunerable, and when he promised "this fight will go toe to toe", he lived up to it, i cant fault him for that, he knocked his ass to the floor in one of the funniest knockouts id ever seen.


Either way, Hatton could virtually erase the mayweather knockout with a KO of his own of witter, the problem is, Witter could end up kicking hattons ass which would look even worse.

I could be wrong, but I still think he has adapted to where he is at now, mentally and physically and what he can do and what he is willing to risk. Safety for the hands. Caution about expending too much stamina with the extra weight.

He is making fights closer than they should be, even if he is really controlling the fight, judges may not see it that way every time out.



Maybe it is like this, two examples, Peyton Manning and Michael Jordan. Manning and Jordan were better physically early on: Manning's arm was better a few years ago and loved to throw it deep...get those touchdowns, run up the score. Now, his arm doesn't have quite the distance, although still good. Instead of running up the score, he is patient, controlling the clock, and getting a win, although closer...but still, he owns the game. When he was running up the score, he had to run it up or he would risk losing with any mistake. Of course he didn't have the defense then so maybe it is not quite a good example.

Jordan: young Jordan was hyper, crazy good and exciting, loved to please the crowd. As he got older, he grew into a bigger body, he became less hyper and all over the place, and settled down. Trusted his teammates, controlled the clock/game, and won Titles.

[duffgun]

This is the best domestic fight that could happen imo i dont care who wins all i care about is this fight being made. It might not do that well in the USA but it would be big in the UK and would be a great return for hatton.