Link to the dec 8 paydays?

[boxing_pundit85]

http://www.fightreport.net/?p=1248

Hatton made about $41m

HBO didn't give him 100%. That would mean HBO, your cable company, and Golden Boy made nothing at all. That didn't happen.

HBO can either offer Floyd a flat rate (15-20%) or a graduated rate. But HBO certainly expected a million sales, so they wouldn't set the graduation at any less than that. SKY set Hatton's at 350,000, b/c that is very high for a UK ppv. So Flayd can't have made more than about $15m from the ppvs (=$26m total purse), or slightly less than he made aginst De La Hoya.

You have to remember, this was top bill on SKY Sports news every night for two months. That's like opening SportsCenter over here, which it never did b/c HBO and ESPN don't work together.

That's where Ricky made the extra

thanks for the explanation man. so did floyd get ripped off in your opinion. it seems like he got everyone rich but himself. 26 million is chump change considering how much money the fight brought in.

[kayjay]

I mean 100% in the sense that Hatton recieved 0%.

Yes, Hatton received 0% of the HBO contract. The point is that Hatton's cut from SKY was much higher than Floyd's cut from HBO (of which I've made a very educate estimate in this thread), because of 1. the curreny, 2. the graduated contract, 3. the sales-above-expectation on SKY relative to HBO.

Floyd's problem was that HBO were better able to estimate their sales, based on Floyd already having a ppv this year. If the agency you're dealing with know how much you're going to sell, you can't win on royalty. You're only hope is to have a graduated contract and exceed sales expectation.

[boxing_pundit85]

Yes, Hatton received 0% of the HBO contract. The point is that Hatton's cut from SKY was much higher than Floyd's cut from HBO (of which I've made a very educate estimate in this thread), because of 1. the curreny, 2. the graduated contract, 3. the sales-above-expectation on SKY relative to HBO.

Floyd's problem was that HBO were better able to estimate their sales, based on Floyd already having a ppv this year. If the agency you're dealing with know how much you're going to sell, you can't win on royalty. You're only hope is to have a graduated contract and exceed sales expectation.

did ellerbe **** up by not getting a percentage of the british ppvs? people werent just buying hatton over there, they were buying hatton agaisnt the best in the world, that was the draw. i wonder how many ppvs hatton v paulie will get in england, like 250,000 prolly.

[kayjay]

thanks for the explanation man. so did floyd get ripped off in your opinion. it seems like he got everyone rich but himself. 26 million is chump change considering how much money the fight brought in.

No I don't think he got ripped off. He made $25m or so, and there was no way he could know that the fight could generate so many ppvs in the UK. SKY couldn't even estimate it, so how should Loenard Ellerbe?

If anyone got ripped off it was SKY. I'm sure they'd like to rewrite that contract. And I'm sure no one will make so much again from a SKY ppv.

HBO are used to doing these kinds of numbers in ppvs. They've dealth with Tyson, Oscar, etc. So Floyd's team will never get too sweet a deal. Unless they start selling $3m ppvs or something. Floyd could probably get a contract that says he gets 80% of sales above 2.5 million.

In my book contract for instance, I get like all the money if I have a best seller. But the publisher knows that isn't happening. He knows what he's going to sell, and any other clause is just to tease me.

[kayjay]

did ellerbe **** up by not getting a percentage of the british ppvs? people werent just buying hatton over there, they were buying hatton agaisnt the best in the world, that was the draw. i wonder how many ppvs hatton v paulie will get in england, like 250,000 prolly.

In retrospect yes, but you can't really blame him. If the deal on the table was Floyd gets the whole HBO deal, Hatton the whole SKY, and the ppvs sold as expected, Floyd would have made more.

But SKY really sold Hatton. You have to remember that isn't the same kind of channel HBO is here. It's more like ESPN. They have soccer on it, the big sports broadcasts, news shows, etc.

[deevel79]

have you seen the contract floyd co-promoted the fight ricky's checks will have floyd's name on them.

floyd got 70/30 split on all ppv revenue. there goes your moral victory

Stop being such a fanboy. What, are u mad now because Hatton made more money than "Money May" ? LOL

[boxing_pundit85]

Yes, Hatton received 0% of the HBO contract. The point is that Hatton's cut from SKY was much higher than Floyd's cut from HBO (of which I've made a very educate estimate in this thread), because of 1. the curreny, 2. the graduated contract, 3. the sales-above-expectation on SKY relative to HBO.

Floyd's problem was that HBO were better able to estimate their sales, based on Floyd already having a ppv this year. If the agency you're dealing with know how much you're going to sell, you can't win on royalty. You're only hope is to have a graduated contract and exceed sales expectation.

No I don't think he got ripped off. He made $25m or so, and there was no way he could know that the fight could generate so many ppvs in the UK. SKY couldn't even estimate it, so how should Loenard Ellerbe?

If anyone got ripped off it was SKY. I'm sure they'd like to rewrite that contract. And I'm sure no one will make so much again from a SKY ppv.

HBO are used to doing these kinds of numbers in ppvs. They've dealth with Tyson, Oscar, etc. So Floyd's team will never get too sweet a deal. Unless they start selling $3m ppvs or something. Floyd could probably get a contract that says he gets 80% of sales above 2.5 million.

In my book contract for instance, I get like all the money if I have a best seller. But the publisher knows that isn't happening. He knows what he's going to sell, and any other clause is just to tease me.

cool man, thx again. one more question, floyd said he wants to run his company by giving his fighters a higher revenue percentage because they are the ones risking their lives. how much greater of a percentage could a fighter realistically earn considering how many people other than the fighter are involved in making the fight?,,,,trainer cut man, cable company, promoter and lots more... obviously.

[kayjay]

have you seen the contract floyd co-promoted the fight ricky's checks will have floyd's name on them.

floyd got 70/30 split on all ppv revenue. there goes your moral victory

1. It's no moral victory for me. I spent $54.95 and made nothing

2. Ricky's checks won't have Floyd's name on them. Floyd got a small promotional payoff, which he'll get in a check with Oscar De La Hoya's name on it and signed by Richard Schaeffer. This will be in addition to his fight purse, but it will be small. GBP was the promotional headliner, and as always these days there are six or seven "promotional" agencies that don't promote but get a cut due to contractual ties with fighters. That will be a very small percentage.

3. Ricky's PPV checks will be signed by the CEO of SKY, whoever that is. That money never made it into GBP's account in the first place.

Now Oscar didn't send me a copy of the contract, but these things aren't very complicated.

[kayjay]

cool man, thx again. one more question, floyd said he wants to run his company by giving his fighters a higher revenue percentage because they are the ones risking their lives. how much greater of a percentage could a fighter realistically earn considering how many people other than the fighter are involved in making the fight?,,,,trainer cut man, cable company, promoter and lots more... obviously.

Yeah that's a good question. I like Floyd's idea, Basically he sees what Oscar did and wants to help take it farther. Oscar made the big fights and signed his opponents (Shane, Hop), got them to sign their opponents, etc. This created a network of vetran fighters who SORT OF run the business themselves. There's no reason why Floyd can't do the same. Expect him to wait on a Cotto fight. When he said no fights in 2008 and 2009, I took that to mean Oscar had him tied through those years. He won't fight Cotto until he get first promotional rights.

Anyway, this only cuts out the Arums and the Kings, which is what Floyd has said. You can't so easily cut out the casinos and HBO. So how much better could future contracts really be? HBO still call the shots. As much power as Oscar and his team have, they still can only take what HBO can give them.

What if fighters refuse to fight? HBO use "Championship Boxing" to promoted different fighters who later get PPVs. But HBO deserve the money. they were paying Floyd millions to fight on subscription television. They lost then so they could make now. And bet on the guys in the back room there on outsmarting any fighters who mess with them.

But getting rid of King, Arum, etc., who bled fighters for decades and controlled every matchup, is a big step.

[feed-the-goat]

did ellerbe **** up by not getting a percentage of the british ppvs? people werent just buying hatton over there, they were buying hatton agaisnt the best in the world, that was the draw. i wonder how many ppvs hatton v paulie will get in england, like 250,000 prolly.

your wrong they're mate, 99% of the people who paid for that fight over here in the uk paid for it to see Hatton. Same as the 70% of people who were in the arena and same as the 20 000 brits who went over to las vegas.
How many brits do u think stayed up till 4am to watch Oscar and Floyd and it was'nt even ppv. You would be lucky if there was 50 000