Is Chavez Really A Legend?

[-CANE-]

chavez is a legend but lets not kid ourselves about the 1st taylor fight. he was being soundly beaten by taylor, and got lucky with a punch in the final 15 seconds. the referee clearly should of allowed taylor to finish the fight. aside from that of course he is a great fighter and deserves to be mentioned alongside the modern greats

I like you but have to disagree with you on this. While clearly behind on points Chavez had punished Taylor badly throughout the fight, it's just that Taylor was so impressive Chavez' work when unnoticed. Steele was right to stop the fight, he never knew exactly how many seconds there was left and had he let it continue maybe something really bad could have happened.

Look at the state of Meldrick Taylor now, what if he had taken a few more punches, what if he actually won the fight and had another big big fight and took more punishment he could be far worse than he is now and it's sad how he has ended up. Chavez serisouly damaged him in that fight more than most people will ever realise. Like steele said there is no fight worth a fighters life and he was right to stop it.

[DURAN_IS_GOD]

I like you but have to disagree with you on this. While clearly behind on points Chavez had punished Taylor badly throughout the fight, it's just that Taylor was so impressive Chavez' work when unnoticed. Steele was right to stop the fight, he never knew exactly how many seconds there was left and had he let it continue maybe something really bad could have happened.

Look at the state of Meldrick Taylor now, what if he had taken a few more punches, what if he actually won the fight and had another big big fight and took more punishment he could be far worse than he is now and it's sad how he has ended up. Chavez serisouly damaged him in that fight more than most people will ever realise. Like steele said there is no fight worth a fighters life and he was right to stop it.

possibly, theres no doubt that chavez was coming on very strong in the later rounds and a knock out was the only way he was going to win. the stoppage was one of the most controversial things ever, especially with steele and don kings association. i dunno i personally think steele could of gave him the benefit of the doubt, he must of known there were literally seconds left. without doubt though this defeat left a big mark on taylor physically and mentally. at the end of the day nobody wants to see a tragedy in the ring so in that respect your probably right, still would of been good to see him get the glory his efforts in that fight definitely deserved. oh and theres nothing wrong with disagreement mate i respect your opinion above most on here!!

[-CANE-]

possibly, theres no doubt that chavez was coming on very strong in the later rounds and a knock out was the only way he was going to win. the stoppage was one of the most controversial things ever, especially with steele and don kings association. i dunno i personally think steele could of gave him the benefit of the doubt, he must of known there were literally seconds left. without doubt though this defeat left a big mark on taylor physically and mentally. at the end of the day nobody wants to see a tragedy in the ring so in that respect your probably right, still would of been good to see him get the glory his efforts in that fight definitely deserved. oh and theres nothing wrong with disagreement mate i respect your opinion above most on here!!

It's a shame and maybe he did at least deserve the glory, but maybe it was a blessing in disguise. Like you said that defeat left a big mark on him physically and mentally, but had he won the fight his mental state would have been different but not his physical and with Taylors willingness to fight in his next big fight something really bad and damaging could have happened that could have cost him his life. I know there was talk of King and Steele and possible corruption but I don't buy into it. Richard Steele was one of the best referees ever and always looked after the fighters he refereed. It was a brave stoppage to call and I commend him on it which wasn't my reaction watching the fight live.

[DURAN_IS_GOD]

yeah i dont know a great deal about the king/steele situation i just know that there was a lot of talk after this fight, seeing as it was so late. am i right in saying that taylor was fighting up until fairly recently? i remember in that clip you showed me he was fighting in what looked like a local hall.... i dont know how he was given a licence to box because his speech and physical skills are severely affected. I see what your saying about his fighting style... he was a proud fighter who wouldn't take a step back, if only he'd gotten on his bike in his fight with chavez, but i seem to remember his corner telling him he needed the 12th round??!! crazy

[-CANE-]

yeah i dont know a great deal about the king/steele situation i just know that there was a lot of talk after this fight, seeing as it was so late. am i right in saying that taylor was fighting up until fairly recently? i remember in that clip you showed me he was fighting in what looked like a local hall.... i dont know how he was given a licence to box because his speech and physical skills are severely affected. I see what your saying about his fighting style... he was a proud fighter who wouldn't take a step back, if only he'd gotten on his bike in his fight with chavez, but i seem to remember his corner telling him he needed the 12th round??!! crazy

I think he fought up until about 2002 which is 12 years after the first fight between the two. One of the saddest stories in boxing and a true warrior spirit and someone that could do it all, if only he fought with his head sometimes and not his heart.

[Sweet Pete]

I like you but have to disagree with you on this. While clearly behind on points Chavez had punished Taylor badly throughout the fight, it's just that Taylor was so impressive Chavez' work when unnoticed. Steele was right to stop the fight, he never knew exactly how many seconds there was left and had he let it continue maybe something really bad could have happened.

Look at the state of Meldrick Taylor now, what if he had taken a few more punches, what if he actually won the fight and had another big big fight and took more punishment he could be far worse than he is now and it's sad how he has ended up. Chavez serisouly damaged him in that fight more than most people will ever realise. Like steele said there is no fight worth a fighters life and he was right to stop it.

Agreed 100%, so few realize this. Taylor was head on the cards because he was landing more(but much less effective) punches. Chavez was beating him up. The people who say Taylor was dominating are off target. He was winning in points, I had him up 8 rounds to 3 going into the last, but he was getting the worse of the two. And it showed when a fresh Chavez KO'd a beaten Taylor in the final round.

[HotSizzle]

dam skippy, you got it perfect. what's wrong with this guy? you are asking if chavez sr was a legend? ****in newbie. his first fight with meldrick taylor cemented him into the meaning of a true legend and is widley known as the best mexican boxer. his losses came later in his career when he was past his prime. hey lil guy mabe you should start buying fighters whole career sets onb dvd. then mabe you can figure out who's a legend, and who is not.

haha actually I've watched almost every single fight he's been in, so I dont need to be like you and buy career dvd sets of fighters to learn something oh and its not that I cant figure out who's a legend or not its just that I dont agree with him being a legend. Geez peepz here take things to personal it was just a question.

[King Koopa]

He went 93 fights before finally losing, to a fighter he beat by KO in an IMMEDIATE rematch. One of the only modern fighters to have NEAR 115 fights, 107(86)-6(4)-2.

He fought/beat fighters like..
Roger Mayweather (Beat TWICE, one by KO)
Kostya Tszyu (Lost while FADED)
Oscar De La Hoya (See Tszyu)
Miguel Angel Gonzalez (DRAW while FADED)
Rocky Lockridge (BEAT)
Edwin Rosario (BEAT)
Angel Hernandez (BEAT, gave him 1st LOSS)
Pernell Whitaker (DRAW, on Whitakers BEST night)
Jose Luis Ramirez (BEAT another modern fighter with 100 plus fights)
Joey Gamache (BEAT)
Meldrick Taylor (BEAT, "TWICE")
Hector Camacho (BEAT, giving Camacho his 2nd loss)

Even if the rest of his names are bums, some are decent, some are not, that's an impressive resume.

Countless Fight Of The Year candidates, a few wins. Was and is one of the best JUNIOR WELTERWEIGHTS of all time. (He and Aaron Pryor are tied for first place, in my book)

So to answer your question, yes.

Draw on Whitaker's best night?
That's not an accomplishment idiot, everybody knows he lost that fight, he didn't "earn" a ****ing draw

[El Jesus]

Hes a legend because of what he was to an entire country, he wasnt just a boxer, he would go on to be regarded to be the best fighter of a country loaded with outstanding talent and champions. Being the best in mexico is pretty tough, and when you had him uniting an entire country behind him, thats off the hook.

i was never a big fan of his, but id be lying if i said what he did wasnt legendary to some regard.

[HotSizzle]

Hes a legend because of what he was to an entire country, he wasnt just a boxer, he would go on to be regarded to be the best fighter of a country loaded with outstanding talent and champions. Being the best in mexico is pretty tough, and when you had him uniting an entire country behind him, thats off the hook.

i was never a big fan of his, but id be lying if i said what he did wasnt legendary to some regard.

I agree with you on that one .