Ellerbe: "Mayweather could win a middleweight title"

[Mozza]

Maybe, maybe not. Why? Because of size and powe? That isn't the question anyways, the question is whether or not could Floyd have won a Middle Weight title. Yes, he could have and could, given the right opponent.




According to himself? Can you quote him and provide the source? I just thought he had priblems listening and making weight.



That's speculation.

The implication of the rambling buffoon's comments is that Mayweather could go up to middleweight and beat genuine middleweights. Is that any more or less speculative than what I am saying?

Sadly I can't quote and provide the sources you ask for as it was on TV but I can assure you that there was real talk that Taylor lacked interest in the fight and there was even some suggestion that he could be finished with boxing.

[Jim Jeffries]

Some people out there saw Spinks beat Taylor. You guys are telling me that Floyd couldn't do the same thing to Taylor (or better) than Spinks?

Spinks and Floyd are about the same with Spinks having about a 1" hight advantage and Floyd having about a 1" reach advantate. Spinks started out at 140 and fought a middleweight. Why couldn't Floyd?

BTW, Floyd didn't get KD'd twice and KTFO by Judah. I think Floyd would have a good chance of beating a Middleweight like Abraham, Taylor, or even Felix Sturm? I don't think he can beat Pavlik but he can definitely compete against the other two champions and Taylor.

That's because they thought even a quarter of Spinks' punches landed, maybe because they watched the fight on youtube. Spinks is FAR more active than Mayweather and is a bigger fighter to boot, I don't see the comparision.

[sonofisis]

It is ******. It would be like Mayweather fighting Hatton but at middleweight. It proves nothing.

It proves what Elerbe says while making you look foolish.

Spinks beasts Taylor by SD, Mayweather beats Spinks by UD. Mayweather is the Middle Weight Champ. This could have easily happened, what are you talking about? Or Mayweather could have beaten Taylor himself, as stated.

[Mozza]

It proves what Elerbe says while making you look foolish.

Spinks beasts Taylor by SD, Mayweather beats Spinks by UD. Mayweather is the Middle Weight Champ. This could have easily happened, what are you talking about? Or Mayweather could have beaten Taylor himself, as stated.

Mayweather would have no chance against Taylor. In a fight of that magnitude Taylor would return to form and knock Floyd out with ease.

[sparked_85]

I think Floyd could win a title at middleweight it's not really inconcievable, Spinks like has been said almost pinched one off Taylor. It'd be tough though I'd make him underdog against any of the titlists.

[sonofisis]

The implication of the rambling buffoon's comments is that Mayweather could go up to middleweight and beat genuine middleweights.

The only buffoon is the one too intellectually shattered to represent a position appropriately, even after clarification.


A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. Often, the straw man is set up to deliberately overstate the opponent's position. A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.

Is that any more or less speculative than what I am saying?

Please look up the word "speculative". You totally disrespected it and used it out of context.

Sadly I can't quote and provide the sources you ask for as it was on TV

So on TV, Taylor stated that he wasn't motivated for the Spinks fight? What event, maybe I can find it on youtube. I think you're bull****ting though (obviously).

but I can assure you that there was real talk that Taylor lacked interest in the fight and there was even some suggestion that he could be finished with boxing.

I don't take the word of someone who likes to distort people's arguments or doesn't know how to contextualize common-day terms. Sources?

[sonofisis]

Mayweather would have no chance against Taylor.

Bullcrap. Mayweather is better than Spinks and Spinks came this close. Everything Spinks did in that ring that night, Mayweather can do better. You're out of your mind.

In a fight of that magnitude Taylor would return to form and knock Floyd out with ease.

Fairy tales. I see no evidence whatsoever that Taylor could fight Floyd any differently given the way he moves and the way Spinks moves. What is Taylor's form anyways? I haven't seen this form since he's been facing quality opposition, period. Maybe these opponents are just more difficult and it has nothing to do with him mentally. Maybe he just isn't good at listening either. I see no evidence that he'd automatically revert to this super natural" top form that I've never seen him in against a quality opponents to begin with.

[Mozza]

The only buffoon is the one too intellectually shattered to represent a position appropriately, even after clarification.


A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. Often, the straw man is set up to deliberately overstate the opponent's position. A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.




Please look up the word "speculative". You totally disrespected it and used it out of context.





So on TV, Taylor stated that he wasn't motivated for the Spinks fight? What event, maybe I can find it on youtube. I think you're bull****ting though (obviously).


I don't take the word of someone who likes to distort people's arguments or doesn't know how to contextualize common-day terms. Sources?

This is getting silly now. Are you trying to tell me that when Ellerbe made these comments that he was only saying that Mayweather could beat the the right opponent at light-middleweight? Get real.

Disrespecting the word speculative? Eh, what?

If you can get a hold of Sky's coverage of the Taylor Spinks fight then you will hear one of the commentators, I forget who exactly but I think it was Jim Watt, saying that Taylor has not been motivated during training and that this information came from inside his camp. I'm quite sure Taylor made reference to motivational problems in the run-up to the Pavlik fight, you can seek these if you wish it doesn't bother me one way or the other.

[C'MONMANG']

The only buffoon is the one too intellectually shattered to represent a position appropriately, even after clarification.


A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. Often, the straw man is set up to deliberately overstate the opponent's position. A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.




Please look up the word "speculative". You totally disrespected it and used it out of context.





So on TV, Taylor stated that he wasn't motivated for the Spinks fight? What event, maybe I can find it on youtube. I think you're bull****ting though (obviously).


I don't take the word of someone who likes to distort people's arguments or doesn't know how to contextualize common-day terms. Sources?

being that Im not a HATER..just dont like Mayweather,,im with you on this thread..Floyd could win a title at middle..and I agree with your post. HAtton still has the bigger fan base tho'

[C'MONMANG']

This is getting silly now. Are you trying to tell me that when Ellerbe made these comments that he was only saying that Mayweather could beat the the right opponent at light-middleweight? Get real.

Disrespecting the word speculative? Eh, what?

If you can get a hold of Sky's coverage of the Taylor Spinks fight then you will hear one of the commentators, I forget who exactly but I think it was Jim Watt, saying that Taylor has not been motivated during training and that this information came from inside his camp. I'm quite sure Taylor made reference to motivational problems in the run-up to the Pavlik fight, you can seek these if you wish it doesn't bother me one way or the other.

PLEASE BRO..THATS just excuses....