Who else thinks Guzman would make PAC look silly?

[joepal]

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well, im not saying that. anyone has a chance against anyone once they step in the ring. i never count any fighter out. people thought that Douglas didn't have a chance against Tyson. PAC could catch Guzman when he is not looking and get a KO. IMO, i just think Guzman has too much in the skill department for PAC. thats all

So Guzman is Tyson now and Pac is Douglas? GTFO!

[joepal]

I agree with your outcome, I can see Guzman winning a fight with Pacquiao because he is skilled and has a good jab, Manny is FAST but Guzman is smart, he can Box effectively he proved against Soto that he can neutralize a ****er but even though Soto is taller and maybe hits harder he isn't faster than Pacquiao, the only thing I see stopping Pacquiao from being a threat in this fight is if Joan comes out Boxing, if he puts his jab into play brings into effect his Boxing skills he can mutter a win on Pacquiao, a FIGHT however I would have to say the edge goes to Pac man because he's ALWAYS dangerous, it doesn't occur to him to fall back when hurt he just presses forward 2 times harder and for a fighting Guzman that would be suicide but a Boxing Guzman can dictate the pace and make himself hard to hit and once Manny feels the natural power of the bigger and more skilled Guzman he WONT stop attacking but he will ease up and look for good opening so he doesn't have to pay..

THATS when Guzman will steal the rounds because Pacquiao will be flowing with Joan's pace, he will try to land a la Marco Antonio Barrera II accept he will be going up against a PRIME fighter utilizing superior Boxing skills, Manny can't win a decision but he CAN win either a KO or TKO for sure, it all depends on how Guzman approaches the fight, classic bull VS matador match up and I see the Matador winning this one, however I think Manny will always walk away from ANY fight with some sort of respect, he can't look foolish having such an exciting style, people would commend his efforts before they downplay them, Manny is just a likeable dude and basically a hero to his country, he will ALWAYS maintain some sort of respect especially if he can go the distance with a young, PRIME and NATURAL Lightweight Champion Manny being a guy who started at 108 Lbs., Manny cemented his respect when he moved up from so low in weight and losing early on by KO and moved up to beat fighters who became Mexican legends, it's truly great what Manny did.. but yea I say Joan by Decision, I CAN agree with unanimous but I wont jump the gun, Manny is tough and will make it a struggle.. 100

Jesus Christ. I've seen it all.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Pac's left will always find the boxer's fighting backwards. It will hit them at it's peak when the opponent thinks he has a safe distance. Only a very powerful hitter can beat Pac; sadly Guzman ain't one of them.

And btw, Guzman isnt even half the boxer a MAB, Morales or JMM is, so STFU. If it was Pac in there for Humberto Soto the fight wouldnt have lasted three rounds. Seriously.

Nimrod,

Guzman is a much better boxer than Morales or Barrera and you know it. if you know so much, tell me what Morales or Barrera does that Guzman can't?

[slicksouthpaw16]

So Guzman is Tyson now and Pac is Douglas? GTFO!

i was not comparing the fighters you num nut. i was using them as examples.

[MakeDamnSure]

Bob Arum already said that Guzman was erased from the list of Pac's possible opponents after his performance against Sotto whom he said that he saw a good fight in the first few rounds but in the later rounds he hear the fight getting Boo because of Guzman style.. What Arum is trying to say is that People should expect pac face Marquez, Valero or Diaz in a toe to toe fight blood flowing all over their face rather than seeing a marathon dance in the ring the whole fight and hearing boos in the fight..

aken from ESPN.com

Despite the victory in his second title defense, Guzman (28-0, 17 KOs) shouldn't expect a call from Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum, who also promotes Soto (43-6-2, 27 KOs).

"If he was thinking Pacquiao, he took himself out of the sweepstakes," Arum said. "He's not appealing to the people. I gotta do 350,000 homes (on pay-per-view) on these fights. I'm lucky I do 150,000 with him. It's more than winning the fight. You have to entertain the people. Who's going to buy this kid? The first six rounds it looked like a fight of the year. The last six rounds, he turned the crowd against him. You have to have people wanting to buy him. The last six rounds he stunk it out."

Guzman, of course, wants a shot at Pacquiao, who is due to select his March 15 opponent Thursday night while having Thanksgiving dinner at Arum's Las Vegas home.

"I've always wanted Pacquiao," he said. "The world wants it."

When asked if he thought he would get him, Guzman smiled and said, "I don't think so."

[kadyo's]

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well, im not saying that. anyone has a chance against anyone once they step in the ring. i never count any fighter out. people thought that Douglas didn't have a chance against Tyson. PAC could catch Guzman when he is not looking and get a KO. IMO, i just think Guzman has too much in the skill department for PAC. thats all

So you think pac has a chance of winning against guzman in the same manner that douglas has a chance against tyson despite being 1 against 20 underdog. What do you think will the odds be if this fight ever happen? 20 -1 in favor of guzman? lol

[slicksouthpaw16]

So you think pac has a chance of winning against guzman in the same manner that douglas has a chance against tyson despite being 1 against 20 underdog. What do you think will the odds be if this fight ever happen? 20 -1 in favor of guzman? lol

i didn't mean it like that. i was just using the Tyson- Douglas fight to prove that anyone is a live underdog in any fight. besides, PAC might be the favorite if him and Guzman fought anyway.

[grayfist]

The presumption upon which the statement that Guzman will make Pacquiao "look silly" appears to be that Pacquiao will mindlessly rush in round after round and Guzman will simply slip and slide and potshot.

I think that is a silly presumption.

In the early rounds against Barrios and Soto, Guzman engaged. And if one looks further back in Guzman's career at Featherweight and Jr. Light, that's how he has been managing his fights. He tries to pile up points in the early rounds by engaging his opponents using his advantage in handspeed, takes a breather somewhere in the 7th and 8th, then, relies on his defensive skills (mainly by keeping out of range) to finish the fight ahead on the scorecards.

This is a fight strategy that cannot work against more accurate, quick and powerful punchers like Pacquiao and Marquez.

Marquez will simply out-counter Guzman in the early rounds and lead on points (if Guzman's chin holds up). Guzman may find himself doing the catch-up in the middle to late rounds. He won't be able to do much running then.

Pacquiao has quick hands-- a lot quicker than both Barrios and Soto who never caught Guzman flush.

Pacquiao will have a lot of chances in catching Guzman early and test the chin. Contrary to popular perception, Pacquiao is not easy to hit.
A cursory look at the fight stats will bear this out; even that fight that he lost to Morales.

Furthermore, if Pacquiao's last fight is made an indication of the way he can fight in the future, it does not seem to me like he will mindlessly flail away at Guzman. He didn't against Barrera and won that fight going away. So much for a one-dimensional Pacquiao.

I think Pacquiao has learned much since the first Marquez fight (I said "first" because I am one of those who are fervently hoping for a second). I think we have a lot more to learn about Pacquiao if we think he's still the Pacquiao of three years ago.

My take is that:

There is a better than fair possibility that a Pacquiao-Guzman fight won't be a classic meeting between a slugger and a boxer. It can turn out to be the most boring fight Pacquiao has ever been in. If Guzman refuses to engage, Pacquiao may do so as well.

On the other hand, if Guzman follows his usual fight script and engages in the early rounds, it may feature among the most exciting exchanges seen atop the ring.

Or it can end early.

Either way, it won't be silly.

[kadyo's]

i didn't mean it like that. i was just using the Tyson- Douglas fight to prove that anyone is a live underdog in any fight. besides, PAC might be the favorite if him and Guzman fought anyway.

wrong choice of analogy then since pac won't be the underdog here. You really believe that pac is a one-dimensional fighter? Elaborate please.

The presumption upon which the statement that Guzman will make Pacquiao "look silly" appears to be that Pacquiao will mindlessly rush in round after round and Guzman will simply slip and slide and potshot.

I think that is a silly presumption.

In the early rounds against Barrios and Soto, Guzman engaged. And if one looks further back in Guzman's career at Featherweight and Jr. Light, that's how he has been managing his fights. He tries to pile up points in the early rounds by engaging his opponents using his advantage in handspeed, takes a breather somewhere in the 7th and 8th, then, relies on his defensive skills (mainly by keeping out of range) to finish the fight ahead on the scorecards.

This is a fight strategy that cannot work against pinpoint, quick and powerful punchers like Pacquiao and Marquez.

Marquez will simply out-counter Guzman in the early rounds and lead on points (if Guzman's chin holds up). Guzman may find himself doing the catch-up in the middle to late rounds. He won't be able to do much running then.

Pacquiao has quick hands-- a lot quicker than both Barrios and Soto who never caught Guzman flush.

Pacquiao will have a lot of chances in catching Guzman early and test the chin. Contrary to popular perception, Pacquiao is not easy to hit.
A cursory look at the fight stats will bear this out; even that fight that he lost to Morales.

Furthermore, if Pacquiao's last fight is made an indication of the way he can fight in the future, it does not seem to me like he will mindlessly flail away at Guzman. He didn't against Barrera and won that fight going away. So much for a one-dimensional Pacquiao.

I think Pacquiao has learned much since the first Marquez fight. I think we have a lot more to learn about Pacquiao if we think he's still the Pacquiao of three years ago.

My take is that:

There is a better than fair possibility that a Pacquiao-Guzman fight won't be a classic meeting between a slugger and a boxer. It can turn out to be the most boring fight Pacquiao has ever been in. If Guzman refuses to engage, Pacquiao may do so as well.

Or, if Guzman follows his usual fight script, it may feature among the most exciting exchanges in the early rounds.

Either way, it won't be silly.

LOL @ sily assumption!!!

Nice post there buddy! I don't want to second guess guzman but I think he will be more cautious than marco if ever this fight happens. I become a fan when I saw how he demolished barrios. I think it was in the 2nd or 3rd round when he decided to brawl and got the better of the exchanges and my thinking during that time was that barrios was alot more stronger than pac. Maybe I was influenced by his firt round demolition od nagy.

[joepal]

The presumption upon which the statement that Guzman will make Pacquiao "look silly" appears to be that Pacquiao will mindlessly rush in round after round and Guzman will simply slip and slide and potshot.

I think that is a silly presumption.

In the early rounds against Barrios and Soto, Guzman engaged. And if one looks further back in Guzman's career at Featherweight and Jr. Light, that's how he has been managing his fights. He tries to pile up points in the early rounds by engaging his opponents using his advantage in handspeed, takes a breather somewhere in the 7th and 8th, then, relies on his defensive skills (mainly by keeping out of range) to finish the fight ahead on the scorecards.

This is a fight strategy that cannot work against more accurate, quick and powerful punchers like Pacquiao and Marquez.

Marquez will simply out-counter Guzman in the early rounds and lead on points (if Guzman's chin holds up). Guzman may find himself doing the catch-up in the middle to late rounds. He won't be able to do much running then.

Pacquiao has quick hands-- a lot quicker than both Barrios and Soto who never caught Guzman flush.

Pacquiao will have a lot of chances in catching Guzman early and test the chin. Contrary to popular perception, Pacquiao is not easy to hit.
A cursory look at the fight stats will bear this out; even that fight that he lost to Morales.

Furthermore, if Pacquiao's last fight is made an indication of the way he can fight in the future, it does not seem to me like he will mindlessly flail away at Guzman. He didn't against Barrera and won that fight going away. So much for a one-dimensional Pacquiao.

I think Pacquiao has learned much since the first Marquez fight (I said "first" because I am one of those who are fervently hoping for a second). I think we have a lot more to learn about Pacquiao if we think he's still the Pacquiao of three years ago.

My take is that:

There is a better than fair possibility that a Pacquiao-Guzman fight won't be a classic meeting between a slugger and a boxer. It can turn out to be the most boring fight Pacquiao has ever been in. If Guzman refuses to engage, Pacquiao may do so as well.

On the other hand, if Guzman follows his usual fight script and engages in the early rounds, it may feature among the most exciting exchanges seen atop the ring.

Or it can end early.

Either way, it won't be silly.

Wow! Who woulda thunk we got prophets in NSB? Great post!