Honest Question About Floyd vs Cotto & Other WW's?

[DLT]

PART 1

For all the people who think that Cotto, Margarito, Williams, and so on will beat Floyd, why do you believe that? Im basically asking because Im wondering do you guys really think they are better fighters then Floyd or do you think they will win strictly because they are too big for Floyd and he isnt a real WW while they are huge WW's?

If the 2nd one is your answer then whats the huge deal? I see this alot in the media and on these boards but no one makes a big deal of it. Its like most of the people dont think that P4P any of those guys are as good as Floyd but they think that they can win simply because of the size advantage. My question is if that was the case then why do you rip Floyd and call him a punk? I know for a fact that even the biggest Margarito, Cotto, Williams, and Cintron lovers still wouldnt pick them over Floyd if Floyd was near there size and you know that is true.

So if you pick against him strictly on the size then why arent those guys punks for wanting to fight him? Why does Floyd have to fight all those guys when there clearly much much bigger? Why is he a fraud if he retires without fighting them? At some point Floyd has to stop. What would happend if all the best guys were at 154? Floyd had 1 fight there and beat a very good guy in Oscar but he knows he would have alot of trouble against those big guys if he fought there all the time. At 147, Floyd fights there but he clearly isnt a WW at all while mostly all the other top guys are all big jr. MW's that kill themselves to make weight every fight. Thats why all of them want to fight Floyd. There's no way they would be jumping at a fight with him if he was there size but they know that he's so small that he cant hurt them, they will outweigh him by a ton in the ring, they know he wont fully be at his best because of the size advantage, they know they will get there biggest pay day and a chance to knock off the #1 guy in the sport. They have all the pluses.

[DLT]

PART 2

You can even look at a guy like Dougie Fischer who hates Floyd and loves Margarito. He calls Floyd a fraud all the time. With that being said, he also says that Margarito isnt even in his top 15 P4P and never will be because he's not that special. He just thinks he will win because of how big he is. Well what does that prove? He also just said that Floyd wont beat Cotto because he's too small. I just dont get how everyone openly says that but doesnt look deeper into it. If thats the case then you should not be dissing the guy. He's not the other WW's where they have only fought at 1 weight and are always the bigger man. He's not Pac who has moved up alot but made EM & MAB look like little boys because he was so huge. He's always outweighed by a ton but people will still call him punks if he doesnt fight these guys or if he loses to these guys. They make fun of him for fighting a 140 pounder in Hatton even though he's still bigger then Floyd yet they say nothing about those huge guys wanting to fight Floyd. He's much closer to Hatton then those guys are to him.

It then makes me mad that if he did take a fight with Cotto then people still wouldnt say that it was something special that he's doing. They would act like that's what he's supposed to do and its a regular fight that he should win if he's good. Thats not the case at all. He should be given all the credit in the world for taking on a guy way bigger then him at a weight he shouldnt be at and if he wins against this young prime monster then he should be damn near immoratlized because its been a long time since someone has done this against top guys at his size. Again, he's P4P the smallest guy in boxing bar none. He's a small dude who has moved up unaturally fighting against monsters. Then you guys rip him for the way he fights when you think about all that? Let him always fight guys smaller then him and then watch how he fights. Its easy to look like those other guys when your doing that but let them fight someone in there 4th weight class who is much bigger then them and see how they would run or get Knocked clean out early

[AntonTheMeh]

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[SkillspayBills]

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Responses like that are the reason for his quarrels.

[sonofisis]

Excellent post DLT, though I'm a bit pessimistic in that this will go over a lot of people's heads, as already demonstrated above..

[AntonTheMeh]

Responses like that are the reason for his quarrels.

right this time it's my fault.

[AntonTheMeh]

you know what i 'll start another thread about this to see how useless this topic is.

[Hawkins]

PART 2

You can even look at a guy like Dougie Fischer who hates Floyd and loves Margarito. He calls Floyd a fraud all the time. With that being said, he also says that Margarito isnt even in his top 15 P4P and never will be because he's not that special. He just thinks he will win because of how big he is. Well what does that prove? He also just said that Floyd wont beat Cotto because he's too small. I just dont get how everyone openly says that but doesnt look deeper into it. If thats the case then you should not be dissing the guy. He's not the other WW's where they have only fought at 1 weight and are always the bigger man. He's not Pac who has moved up alot but made EM & MAB look like little boys because he was so huge. He's always outweighed by a ton but people will still call him punks if he doesnt fight these guys or if he loses to these guys. They make fun of him for fighting a 140 pounder in Hatton even though he's still bigger then Floyd yet they say nothing about those huge guys wanting to fight Floyd. He's much closer to Hatton then those guys are to him.

It then makes me mad that if he did take a fight with Cotto then people still wouldnt say that it was something special that he's doing. They would act like that's what he's supposed to do and its a regular fight that he should win if he's good. Thats not the case at all. He should be given all the credit in the world for taking on a guy way bigger then him at a weight he shouldnt be at and if he wins against this young prime monster then he should be damn near immoratlized because its been a long time since someone has done this against top guys at his size. Again, he's P4P the smallest guy in boxing bar none. He's a small dude who has moved up unaturally fighting against monsters. Then you guys rip him for the way he fights when you think about all that? Let him always fight guys smaller then him and then watch how he fights. Its easy to look like those other guys when your doing that but let them fight someone in there 4th weight class who is much bigger then them and see how they would run or get Knocked clean out early

I think most of the reasons for the hate against Floyd and picking against him is his boastful nature and his ability to talk it up. Not much different than Ali. Pick against him not out of logic but out of hate and spite.

[BmoreBrawler]

do you think they will win strictly because they are too big for Floyd and he isnt a real WW while they are huge WW's?

Its more the second, although I think he IS a real WW, just because he doesnt have much power doesnt mean he isnt a WW(5'8" 72" reach is near WW average im sure). Williams is probably too big for a potshotter to handle. Mayweather might be able to beat Cotto or Margarito though, but I'd pick either to beat him with maybe a 55% chance.

[AntonTheMeh]

I think most of the reasons for the hate against Floyd and picking against him is his boastful nature and his ability to talk it up. Not much different than Ali. Pick against him not out of logic but out of hate and spite.

NOT ALL HAWK.IT HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT HE SAYS HE WON'T FIGHT SUCH AND SUCH.ALI FOUGHT EVERY MAN WHO POSED A THREAT TO HIM.