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  • #11
    great post. let's see what floyd haters have to respond with? floyd always says, weight don't win fights, skills do. the reason why floyd gets as much hate as he does, yet, is still considered the p4p best fighter in th esport is because of his personality/skills. floyd gets called tons of names yet for some strange reason people still have him as the best fighter in boxing. how can a coward be the best fighter in the sport? how can this be? he's fighting at a weight class that has huge guys compared to him fighting in, yet, floyd is still called the best fighter in the sport when he shouldn't really be at this weight, if not for the notion that skills win fights. he is fighting naturally bigger guys who feel that they can overpower floyd and manhandle him, and that proves absolutely false come fight night. they feel pressure is the way to defeat floyd, yet they can't hit him. his defense is too good. dlt's right, why not criticize guys wanting to fight a smaller fighter in floyd when they usually outweight him by several pounds and are physically bigger than him. i'll tell you why, because weight don't win fights, sklills do, and i cannot stress this enough. floyd proves this time and time again. floyd uses his God given talents to outsmart his opponents no matter how big they are to him. he's so cerebrial in the ring because he can outthink any fighter that gets put in front of him, this is why he is the best.

    people have a distinct hatred for floyd's personality so that usually bleeds over into how he fights. i mean, he is still undefeated and yet, some commentator or analyst or internet boxing forum poster finds a way to downplay his legacy.

    emanuel steward is consisdered on of the greatest trainers that has come along in over 40 years, yet he switches his opinions nonstop to make larry merchant happy. he claimed during the baldomir fight that floyd really isn't a boxer, he just has quick reflexes, then goes and claims that trying to outbox floyd is ******, you can't outbox mayweather. duing the oscar fight, emanuel steward claimed that he's never considered floyd great, but earlier in floyd's career, he claimed that floyd would go on to win 2 or 3 championships and become a great champion.

    larry merchant claimed during the judah fight that floyd can do it all, outbox you, outbrawl you, outpunch, outthink you, then goes and says floyd isn't a brawler, he just potshots and doesn't fight, when floyd has always thrown limited but very accurate punches throughout most of his career, and how can pernell whitaker and willy pep be considered greater than floyd when they were defensive fighters themselves. i swear, these people are hypocrites. floyd proves that boxing is a sweet science and you hit and not get hit. i mean, people act as if floyd runs when he's really positioning himself for his offense. what oscar did with trinidad was run, what floyd does is move very well. he's known for his tactical mindset and poise as well as precision in the ring, yet, he's boring because he doesn stand and trade, when infact floyd stands in the pocket a lot during his matches and outthinks his opponents. against bigger guys who outweighed him by nearly 20 pounds like a baldomir and oscar, floyd outthought them and crusied in the fights.

    blame his opponents for not being smart enough to have great stamina against floyd who trains like a madman in the gym, yet, goes into his fights like a boxing instructor and gives his opposition boxing lessons. blame his opponents for not being good enough to get past his defense which is just phenomenal and hard to crack, and make him constantly adjust to them. blaime his opponents for not being smart enough to knock him out. blame them, not floyd.

    floyd is a masterful fighter with rings smarts out of this world. he knows how to win, and he knows how to do it in dominating fashion. and this only proves more that skills win fights, not other factors. floyd has just outsmarted his opponents, that's all.

    give the man his proper due. stop judging for his personality and appreciate what he does in that ring, and no, he doesn't run, he's always moved very well. i mean, it's no secret, and he's claimed this for the longest time, the less you get hit, the longer you last in the sport of boxing. floyd gets hit the least, yet, gets paid the most out of any full time active fighter. a man who only runs doesn't get called the best fighter in their respective fileds, floyd is the best fighter in his business, deal with it.

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    • #12
      He chose this weight, that's his problem. That and you're making him sound tiny. Sure he's one of the smaller Welterweights, but he's not a Lightweight. So from anywhere 140-147 he's game, and there's no names at 140.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by ANTONIM View Post
        NOT ALL HAWK.IT HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT HE SAYS HE WON'T FIGHT SUCH AND SUCH.ALI FOUGHT EVERY MAN WHO POSED A THREAT TO HIM.
        This is why they have mandatories. Floyd will have to fight someone at 147 after Hatton or retire. If he doesn't fight Cotto for a ****** reason then yeah he is ducking Cotto.

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        • #14
          If pbf beats hatton he should face Cotto and win and retire on top.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by The_Executioner View Post
            This is why they have mandatories. Floyd will have to fight someone at 147 after Hatton or retire. If he doesn't fight Cotto for a ****** reason then yeah he is ducking Cotto.
            not the ring belt.there should be.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by -Antonio- View Post
              He chose this weight, that's his problem. That and you're making him sound tiny. Sure he's one of the smaller Welterweights, but he's not a Lightweight. So from anywhere 140-147 he's game, and there's no names at 140.
              see, I disagree with that. I think he could easily make 135 right now and at the most should be at 140 and he would be a small guy there. How can you say that he's not tiny when he's fighting Oscar at 148? He only had 4 fights at 135 and he was clearly small at that weight. He looked like a little kid compared to JLC, yet he only had 4 fights. Then he moves to 140 and only has 3 fights. In all his fights at 135 he never came into the ring at 140, not once. Then in all his fights at 140 he only got to 144 pounds, the same exact thing that Pac weighed in his fights with EM & MAB way down at 130. He then goes to WW and he never even weighs in at the 147 pound limit. He's always under the limit when the fight comes when other guys are 160 pounds.

              He couldve easily stayed to 135 until right now and just now be moving up to 140 to have a couple of fights to finish his career. He's not nothing compared to those WW's.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by BmoreBrawler View Post
                Its more the second, although I think he IS a real WW, just because he doesnt have much power doesnt mean he isnt a WW(5'8" 72" reach is near WW average im sure). Williams is probably too big for a potshotter to handle. Mayweather might be able to beat Cotto or Margarito though, but I'd pick either to beat him with maybe a 55% chance.
                Floyd has the height & reach but he's legitmatly slim. You watch his fight with Baldy and he looks like a stick figure next to him. He's never even came in over the WW limit on fight night. If you look at him and then look at the other guys I named or other past WW greats like SRL, Hearns, Oscar, Quartey, Forrest, Tito, Mayorga, or anyone, he just doesnt compare. He's way way smaller then those guys

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                • #18
                  Also dont get me wrong, I think Floyd still beats all of them but they all have a nice chance strictly because of the size

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by ANTONIM View Post
                    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
                    there a million threads like these.........
                    yeah million with mostly hate. Even mention a SMW Calzaghe they should mention Floyd's name.

                    Originally posted by Hawkins View Post
                    I think most of the reasons for the hate against Floyd and picking against him is his boastful nature and his ability to talk it up. Not much different than Ali. Pick against him not out of logic but out of hate and spite.
                    Yeah Mayweather attitude is a ****y and annoying but that doesnt not mean he cant box or beat those guys

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by DLT View Post
                      Also dont get me wrong, I think Floyd still beats all of them but they all have a nice chance strictly because of the size
                      that is why most fighter loss against Floyd, they are trying to use power and size to win which is not good strategy against him.

                      by fighting Oscar Floyd showed you don't need to be big to win. It all about the brains and not the brawls

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