Honest Question About Floyd vs Cotto & Other WW's?

[bigneli]

I don't think Cotto has faces anyone like Mayweather. Maybe Mosley in terms of speed. But let's not fool ourselves, Mayweather hasn't faced anyone with Cotto's characteristics. PBF may win, but it's not going to run circles around Cotto as many of us thought before the Mosley fight. And to me PBF, can lose, especially with no power. We all know his power is not even close to Mosley's and Mosley got amazing power shots on Cotto and he shook them of very well. Me? I'm taking Cotto by KO on the 10th. But there is always a chance for an Mayweather UD.

[PRboxingfan]

Floyd was outweighed by DLH by AT LEAST 12 pounds (Floyd weighed 148 on fight night while I'm sure Oscar didn't weigh less than 160) and he still waxed that ass. Anyone who says that Floyd would lose to the WWs based on size is an idiot.

BTW, DLH is faster, hits harder, and puts his punches together better than Margarito, Williams, Cotto or Hatton so what makes people think Floyd would lose to lesser-skilled fighters who won't weigh as much as 160 on fight night (while Floyd will probably weigh about the same)?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, south of 160, only Vernon Forrest is a threat to Floyd.

[cortdawg25]

PART 1

For all the people who think that Cotto, Margarito, Williams, and so on will beat Floyd, why do you believe that? Im basically asking because Im wondering do you guys really think they are better fighters then Floyd or do you think they will win strictly because they are too big for Floyd and he isnt a real WW while they are huge WW's?

If the 2nd one is your answer then whats the huge deal? I see this alot in the media and on these boards but no one makes a big deal of it. Its like most of the people dont think that P4P any of those guys are as good as Floyd but they think that they can win simply because of the size advantage. My question is if that was the case then why do you rip Floyd and call him a punk? I know for a fact that even the biggest Margarito, Cotto, Williams, and Cintron lovers still wouldnt pick them over Floyd if Floyd was near there size and you know that is true.

So if you pick against him strictly on the size then why arent those guys punks for wanting to fight him? Why does Floyd have to fight all those guys when there clearly much much bigger? Why is he a fraud if he retires without fighting them? At some point Floyd has to stop. What would happend if all the best guys were at 154? Floyd had 1 fight there and beat a very good guy in Oscar but he knows he would have alot of trouble against those big guys if he fought there all the time. At 147, Floyd fights there but he clearly isnt a WW at all while mostly all the other top guys are all big jr. MW's that kill themselves to make weight every fight. Thats why all of them want to fight Floyd. There's no way they would be jumping at a fight with him if he was there size but they know that he's so small that he cant hurt them, they will outweigh him by a ton in the ring, they know he wont fully be at his best because of the size advantage, they know they will get there biggest pay day and a chance to knock off the #1 guy in the sport. They have all the pluses.

Good points. I feel the same way. If we really start to be honest with ourselves we would realize that Floyd could still make 135. He is just 4 lbs away of Pacman (who is superfeatherweight) on fight night. He fought and deafeated Oscar weighing a 148 lbs compared to Oscar 165. paul williams and Margarito and Cintron and even Cotto all way closer to 170 when not weight drained and Floyd is fighting these guys and defeating them at his natural weight of 148 and all he gets is complaints, I don't get it.

[cortdawg25]

but as for pressure fighter Floyd face Castillo who is best in the game that time. And now Floyd evolve to much better fighter than he was back then.

size maybe be different but the idea is the same, espiecally when he did took alot of damage out of Castillo fight.

With a torn rotator cuff and theyhave the nerve to call him a coward. hilarious.

[cortdawg25]

go watch bodybuilding and leave Boxing to the TRUE fans (of the SPORT by the way) who give each fighter their proper due according to how their HANDS talk for them not their mouths.. I'm done with the whole internet feud **** I only did it to put some people in their place but respect was given and the hatchets have been buried, I ain't got time for this **** so I'm going to tell you once and once only, hop off my **** and stop following me in threads..

You've never seen Floyd fight southpaw, he does it well and has done it many times. I don't think Cotto is more versatile even though he did surprise with his boxing skill. When he was fighting backwards and against the ropes (not so much aginast the ropes) but I had him losing those rds. He doesn't fight good backwards and he is awkard when fighting that way. if Mosley was more accurate and put hi punches together like he usually does, you would see Cotto doesn't fight that well going backwards.

[ElGranLuchador]

cotto cintron williams margarito u can say that mayweather will beat them and what not fact is he is scared and will never fight them so he remains inferior to them in the welterweight division

[pbftxrs316]

so, the floyd haters call dlt's post excuses. well, seeing how none of them had any guts to respond to mine, i'll ince again intervene in the thread.

calling fans buthuggers or anything else that are basically cop outs for not having the decency to have respecatble arguments is just sad. i mean, dlt, myself, and cortdawg to name a few gave reasons behind are arguments. many haters on here, not all, responded with ****** ****ing names, but that's okay, that's just who they are, haters.

respect the man, he's leagues ahead of majority fighters in the sport as far as skillwise. he's the bets fighter in boxing, face it. out of oscar, he gets paid the most, deal with it. i mean, you can call the man every name in the book, and it doesn't hold any ground when he has accomplished so much to get that stats he has today. call him this, call him that, just don't call him collect. once again, i'm out.

[MrFactor]

Margarito, Williams and Cintron have significant height and reach advantages. In essence, in order for Mayweather to hit these 3, he'd have to come into harms way very often. So he'd be getting hit more than he's accustomed to. In the case of Margarito and Cintron, he'd be getting hit alot harder than he's ever been hit before. He'd truly have a hard time with any of these 3. I mean, how does anyone get inside Paul Williams jab and punch output. The guy averages about a hundred punches per round, is 6ft 2 with an 80inch wing span. You mean to tell me that Mayweather can walk thru that at 5'6" and 74' wingspan. Mayweather is a good defensive fighter, but would be outclassed by bigger, stronger active guys. He will not fight any of those 3 guys.

Now on to Cotto. Mayweather and Cotto matchup very well. In the Mosley fight I saw resiliecy in Cotto, that I had not previously seen. When his body attack doesnt work, he had to go to plan B and box backing up. I think Mayweather/Cotto is a pick em fight. Mayweather has advantages in Speed and defense. Cotto has a power advantage. Cotto would stalk Floyd, like Baldomir. Accept he's much better than baldomir. He also has alot more power. If Baldomir had KO power, how different would that fight have been?

[crillz]

You've never seen Floyd fight southpaw, he does it well and has done it many times. I don't think Cotto is more versatile even though he did surprise with his boxing skill. When he was fighting backwards and against the ropes (not so much aginast the ropes) but I had him losing those rds. He doesn't fight good backwards and he is awkard when fighting that way. if Mosley was more accurate and put hi punches together like he usually does, you would see Cotto doesn't fight that well going backwards.

I disagree, I HAVE seen Floyd fight South Paw, I own all 38 of his career fights from Roberto Apodaca to Oscar De La Hoya and soon Ricky Hatton, you ain't telling me nothing about Floyd.. what I meant by Cotto being more versatile is that he switches his offense MANY times in a round, he can switch up stance in the middle of a combo and hold down the stance for a while, he can **** with BOTH hands and he holds his hands up high so he's harder to hit and since he's so dangerous with his power while moving back he can still be ****ing while Boxing, when Shane felt Cotto's pwer to the body and saw his quick hands when punching he knew he could be caught with some **** to rock his melon so he picked his shots, he couldn't just come in wailing because he had some respect for Cotto's power, Mosley did nothing wrong in that fight, he brought his A game and took the proper precaution he just lost the Boxing match..

it's not about fighting south paw, I know Floyd can fight south paw and going back wards but Cotto is more versatile in terms of his offense not his stance, I said that they are the biggest threats to one another, Floyd is more elusive but Cotto can make you pay more, Cotto can dig threw your defense Floyd just works around you and punches when and where he can, he doesn't take a punch to give 3 like Cotto does, he takes no punches to give 1, his style is a true winning style but Cotto is more willing to make you pay, his punches range, his quick hands and stinging power makes it so that he becomes too much for anyone because he switches from south paw to righty in the middle of combos, he QUICKLY throws 1 to the face and 2 to the body and just falls back, 2 seconds later he's back at it.. Floyd CAN fight aggressive but he doesn't hence making Cotto more versatile being that he puts into use elements of offense that Floyd doesn't, he regularly throws a good defense, a good offense, good movement, good guard, good speed, good power and no emotion all in constant rotation..

any second Cotto can just jump to righty and use his left to kill you and within the same combo jump back to left and give you 2 hooks to the body then fall back and use his jab, either way he's calmly coming at you and picking you apart, he uses more elements of his skills to break down his opponents than Floyd who will pop shot his way to a victory, he doesn't take chances and as a result they almost stole the De La Hoya fight from him, he does enough to get threw and win he doesn't take any chances against someone who can make him pay, he plays it safe and ****s with guys like Mitchell and Gatti who which 1 has the skills but not the power and 1 has the power but not the skills, Floyd has more so he can do more but against someone who matches him he plays it safe, he presents 1 VERY hard to deal with style and it hasn't been beaten but I say Cotto is more versatile because he pops out with MORE **** to better his offense, his willingness to take chances creates better opportunities for him to hit back hard..

I'll be the 1st to tell you I like Floyd, I don't think we will have such a technically sound and mentally focused fighter in our era after him, I say what I say because you have to judge him by what he brings to the table and against who and why, he breaks *****z down THAT much that you have to look at that, Cotto doesn't pick 1 way to fight, he's been this way since back in his JWW days.. Floyd looks for ways to not get hit and the way he does it is amazing to me, he CAN **** and do EVERYTHING Cotto does but doesn't, I can't give him more credit than Cotto in versatility if he doesn't put it into effect, Cotto against anyone will always take 1 to give 2, he can fight very well going back and I had Shane only winning the 3rd, 8th, 9th and 10th, Cotto picked apart Shane Mosley, he out Boxed the Boxer.. he started as the fighter and finished as the Boxer, Floyd as I said CAN do everything Cotto could do but Cotto pulls out more rabbits from his hat even when he doesn't because he aims to hurt with his every shot, Mayweather doesn't, his initial instinct is to win that round which is smart and hard to overcome for his opponents but it isn't more versatile.. damn I need a coffee. 100

[Fox McCloud]

Floyd was outweighed by DLH by AT LEAST 12 pounds (Floyd weighed 148 on fight night while I'm sure Oscar didn't weigh less than 160) and he still waxed that ass. Anyone who says that Floyd would lose to the WWs based on size is an idiot.

BTW, DLH is faster, hits harder, and puts his punches together better than Margarito, Williams, Cotto or Hatton so what makes people think Floyd would lose to lesser-skilled fighters who won't weigh as much as 160 on fight night (while Floyd will probably weigh about the same)?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, south of 160, only Vernon Forrest is a threat to Floyd.

How do you see Spinks vs. Mayweather going down at 154? I agree that it is going to take someone who follows the boxing textbook pretty strictly to beat Mayweather. Forrest obviously does that. I think Cory Spinks does too... why do you think he isn't a big threat?

Just curious.