Mayweather says "4 MORE FIGHTS TO CLEAR OUT WW DIVISION"

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  • quntel
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    #261
    Originally posted by jimmy nordon
    you are dellusional, to a frightening level.

    if by "everyone," you mean italians in NJ for the gatti fight. and "everyone" being baldomir's immediate family, then yes you are correct. otherwise you cant honestly be serious.
    If you go to any boxing before the Bald. fight you will know what i am talking about...
    I have read at least 12 articles by boxing experts picking Baldomir.....

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    here's a story saying that not only will Baldy kick Floyd's ass but he will Knock him Out!


    22.10.06 - By Kirk Allen: Let me just start off by saying that, like many people, I used to be disgusted by the fact that Floyd Mayweather Jr., 29, wasn't fighting better opponents, ones like Kostya Tszyu, Manny Paccquiao, Ricky Hatton or Antonio Margarito. After 10 years, I figured Mayweather should have fought a career-defining fight by now, shouldn't he? Well, I'm no longer bothered by any of that anymore, not since he selected Carlos Baldomir (43-9-6, 13 KO's) as his next opponent. Finally, Mayweather has stepped up to fight someone truly worthy, a fighter in my estimation that can beat Mayweather, quite eaily in fact.

    For most people, however, they see Baldomir and assume that just because he's somewhat slow and old (35), that he's going to get easily beaten by Mayweather. What they don't see, however, is that Baldomir is much tougher than anyone Mayweather has fought previously.

    Quite frankly, Baldomir is the best fighter that Mayweather has ever faced before in his career. Though, he may not be as fast or as slick as some of the smaller opponents Mayweather has faced, like Zab Judah, Baldomir simply knows how to use his size and toughness to win fights.

    If one were to measure Baldomir and compare his overall toughness with Mayweather's previous bests opponents, such as Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Angel Manfredy, Jose Luis Castillo, Arturo Gatti or DeMarcus Corley, it's clear to me that Baldomir is in a level above them. He’s already proven it, easily beating both Arturo Gatti and Zab Judah in 2006. In fact, Baldomir made it look easy, much easier than Mayweather did. Baldomir has the size and the pressure to make Mayweahter miserable, just like Jose Luis Castillo did in their two fights together.

    Bear in mind, many people, me included, think that Castillo beat Mayweather in their first fight, but came out on the losing end of a very controversial decision. However, even in losing, Castillo set the blue print on how to beat Mayweather. That is, by applying steady pressure and forcing Mayweather to fight off the ropes. If it weren’t for those two fights, I probably wouldn’t give Baldomir even the slightest chance at beating Mayweather, but the fact of the matter is, he’s going to be in for a big surprise against Baldomir.

    Having said all that, some of the fault lies with Mayweather, by which he as avoided fighting the absolute best opponents. Instead taking on the best in each weight class, Mayweather often decided to move up in weight rather than testing himself. Thus, by not fighting the absolute best, he’s stunted his own ability to learn and progress as a boxer. For a fighter like him, one that relies on speed and craftiness, he’s got to constantly keep learning, otherwise the more powerful fighters start to catch up to him. In this case, Baldomir would fit that category. However, it’s more than that, I’m afraid. You see, even if Mayweather had been fighting the best opposition all these years, he’d still have major problems against Baldomir, largely because of the Argentinean’s size advantage and overall toughness.

    Just looking at the two of them side by side, you can immediately see that Baldomir has much longer arms and torso, something that is very important in helping him dominate his opponents. For Mayweather to be able to beat Baldomir, he will have to get within boxing range and each time he does, the longer armed Baldomir will make him pay. You see, it will be hard, if not impossible, for Mayweather to do the cleaver boxing moves that he’s done in the past against smaller, thinner fighters like Corrales.

    No, I expect Baldimir will win convincingly, most likely by knockout. All Baldimir has to do is what he always has done, that is, apply a lot of pressure and make Mayweather crumble like a rag doll.

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    • Jim Jeffries
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      #262
      Originally posted by El Dominicano
      Boring fights is what many consider Bald and DLH 2 out of what 38? Correct me if I'm wrong. The entertainment u want is a natural 140 pounder getting bashed around by 166 pounders???
      Floyd weighed 152 for the weighin with Oscar, I'm not sure what your point is about 166 pounders.

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      • jimmy nordon
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        #263
        Originally posted by quntel
        If you go to any boxing before the Bald. fight you will know what i am talking about...
        I have read at least 12 articles by boxing experts picking Baldomir.....

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        [I][COLOR="Red"]here's a story saying that not only will Baldy kick Floyd's ass but he will Knock him Out!


        22.10.06 - By Kirk Allen
        I stopped right there. who is kirk allen? mayweathers biggest critic Doug Fischer didnt think Baldomir would win a single round. you can always find some random schlub who thinks an underdog will win. but every major boxing writer knew what was going to happen

        the man had 9 losses and barely beat judah. gatti had been beaten all over the ring nearly as many times, and thats supposed ot be a great win?

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          #264
          Originally posted by jimmy nordon
          I stopped right there. who is kirk allen? mayweathers biggest critic Doug Fischer didnt think Baldomir would win a single round. you can always find some random schlub who thinks an underdog will win. but every major boxing writer knew what was going to happen

          the man had 9 losses and barely beat judah. gatti had been beaten all over the ring nearly as many times, and thats supposed ot be a great win?

          thats supposed ot be a great win?

          Why isnt it a great win.....?

          baldomir was rank number 1 when floyd fought him...

          Compared to every other WW who has a better resume...??
          my repost


          Margarito is champion in what division..??
          Shane Mosley is champion in what division..??

          These are the 3 people with belts in the WW disvision

          Paul Williams "WBO" 1 Championship fight... (for a real belt)
          Miguel Cotto "WBA" 10 Championship Fights
          Kermit Cintron "IBF" 3 Championshp fights

          And WHO HAVE THEY BEATEN..???
          None of them as yet to fight a ranked # 1 fighter yet...?
          except. Cotto which was Ricardo Torres at the time..


          Floyd Mayweather 20 Championship Fights (Been a Champion Since :98)

          Mayweather has the most Reconized BELT of all the belts in the WW division "WBC"


          Floyd has beaten six people ranked #1 when they fought each other

          and is about to fight

          Ricky Hatton ranked #1


          Diego Corrales ranked #1 when they fought (TKO)

          Angel Manfredy ranked # 1 when they fought (TKO)

          Carlos Hernandez champion and ranked #1 when they fought (TKO)

          Jesus Chavez ranked # 1 when they fought (TKO)

          Phillip N'dou ranked #1 when they fought (30-1) 30ko's (TKO)

          Carlos Manuel Baldomir ranked #1 when they fought (UD)

          Carlos Alberto Ramon Rios RANKED # 2 (UD)

          now who on your list can you say did that...???
          none of them ..!!

          Thats why he is POUND 4 POUND
          you thought they just GAVE him that TITLE....

          He earned IT...

          ANy division he goes into he is the best in the division, and esp. WW division

          Give him his Respect and stop being a hater....

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          • jimmy nordon
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            #265
            hey if fighting a man with 9 losses is great in your eyes, thats great. its a shame a fighter with such talent has fans with such low expectations but thats your business. fighting judah coming off a loss, corely off a loss, if that meets your expectations for a man like mayweather as talented as he is, great.

            hatton isnt a ww, and they are fighting at ww. most of the names you listed there are from 135 and 130.

            low expecations from fans that just want to celebrate a fighter instead of competition. thats what this has become

            if floyd goes and actually fights the physically prime ww and beats them all, I'll give him all the respect in the world. hes been a welterweight for some time, fighting mitchell, judah off a loss, baldomir with 9 Ls, and a semi retired promoter is not cleaning out your division of the other phsyically primed contenders.
            Last edited by jimmy nordon; 11-07-2007, 02:03 AM.

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              #266
              Originally posted by jimmy nordon
              hey if fighting a man with 9 losses is great in your eyes, thats great. its a shame a fighter with such talent has fans with such low expectations but thats your business. fighting judah coming off a loss, corely off a loss, if that meets your expectations for a man like mayweather as talented as he is, great.

              hatton isnt a ww, and they are fighting at ww. most of the names you listed there are from 135 and 130.

              low expecations from fans that just want to celebrate a fighter instead of competition. thats what this has become
              No, you are totally right. Losses are everything in boxing. So what the **** is Manny Pacquiao doing at #2 in the sport? Miguel Cotto, Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe all have less losses than him. Jeff Lacy has less losses than Manny. Baldomir hadn't lost for 9 years, and had wins over Clottey, Judah and Gatti.

              Did you criticize Antonio Tarver for fighting for the "real" 175 pound ring title against Glen Johnson just because he had 9 losses? If so, you are a moron.

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                #267
                Originally posted by DWiens421

                Did you criticize Antonio Tarver for fighting for the "real" 175 pound ring title against Glen Johnson just because he had 9 losses? If so, you are a moron.
                your gona compare glen johnson and baldomir? how about some analytical thinking here. one man despite losing questionable decisions, has almost always performed extremely well in other mans backyards against top talent. he other is baldomir

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                  #268
                  Originally posted by jimmy nordon
                  hey if fighting a man with 9 losses is great in your eyes, thats great. its a shame a fighter with such talent has fans with such low expectations but thats your business. fighting judah coming off a loss, corely off a loss, if that meets your expectations for a man like mayweather as talented as he is, great.

                  hatton isnt a ww, and they are fighting at ww. most of the names you listed there are from 135 and 130.

                  low expecations from fans that just want to celebrate a fighter instead of competition. thats what this has become
                  The point is that Floyd has fought Competition ( NUMBER #1 RANKED)
                  who have those fighters fought....?


                  hatton isnt a ww
                  Floyd Mayweather isnt WW either....

                  so what are trying to say...?

                  Just Because ricky Hatton he is not a natural WW that doenst make him a WW....?

                  Floyd Mayweather isnt WW either
                  but he won Titles 130-154



                  So what is your point..!!!

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                    #269
                    Originally posted by jimmy nordon
                    hey if fighting a man with 9 losses is great in your eyes, thats great. its a shame a fighter with such talent has fans with such low expectations but thats your business. fighting judah coming off a loss, corely off a loss, if that meets your expectations for a man like mayweather as talented as he is, great.

                    hatton isnt a ww, and they are fighting at ww. most of the names you listed there are from 135 and 130.

                    low expecations from fans that just want to celebrate a fighter instead of competition. thats what this has become

                    if floyd goes and actually fights the physically prime ww and beats them all, I'll give him all the respect in the world. hes been a welterweight for some time, fighting mitchell, judah off a loss, baldomir with 9 Ls, and a semi retired promoter is not cleaning out your division of the other phsyically primed contenders.
                    Since you added this last part after I selected your post to quote, I can answer this too.

                    Mitchell = tune-up.
                    Judah = signed before the loss.
                    Baldomir = 9 years without a loss, ABC belt, Ring belt, and picked by Bert Sugar to give Mayweather a hell of a fight, and having "one hell of a chance to win."

                    De La Hoya was at 154.

                    You are expecting too much (along with everyone else) that he should have already cleaned out the division. 3 fights (4 if you want to count De La Hoya, even though it was at 154) is not a long time in a weight class. Honestly, what fighter in history has moved up to a weight class, and cleaned out the division in 4-6 fights? No one, am I right... unless it is a special case of having a unified champion, such as Larry Holmes, when he lost to Michael Spinks.

                    Mayweather did the next best thing by beating the lineal champion in Baldomir.

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                    • jimmy nordon
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                      #270
                      good job getting away from the "EVERYONE THOUGHT BALDOMIR WOULD WIN" argument. thats a gem. an message board gem

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