JMM is overrated by Ring Magazine

[moy22487]

I think vasquez deserves to be in the top 5, he just won in a fight that will probably 2007's fight of the year.

he had a great fight but lost one this year also, and rafa was getting high himself, i see them both very close to top 10, calderon cant be ignored anymore he has my number 10 spot

[kadyo's]

JMM just had a close fight with MAB (who isn't in the top ten p4p), lost to John, and only drew with Pacquiao (when he should have lost). Jimrex Jaca who is nowhere Top 100 gave him hell. The Ring obviously erred in placing him top three with this showing.

Who do you think won the Pacquiao-JMM fight? If you answer Pacquiao, you should say that JMM is overrated because JMM got the p4p ranking after that fight. If you say JMM then you are nothing but a Kapitan Tiago.

Pacman jumped to the p4p list because he beat marco. Marco made a good winning run after that lose and got back a championship back then was beaten by juan manuel.

pacquiao-marquez is a DRAW which happened eons ago so take a rest and live with it.

[eazy_mas]

A highlight reel can make any fighter look like the winner. You havn't seen the Marquez v. John fight? I'll hook you up if you don't have a copy i think i still have the fight on my computer.

Marquez is older now, his reflexes arn't what they used to be. He fought John in his hometown. To bad John wouldn't come over here an fight Marquez. John imo, fights very similar to Manuel "mantecas" Medina.

I had Marquez winning the fight and the ref was a lousy ref. John had his trunks up to his shoulders and the ref called the punchs low. Bad ref, and hometown crowd, mixed in with a runner like John, everytime John landed even if he didn't land, the crowd would scream and roar. At the end of the day Marquez got robbed.

but there is mixed of thoughts in that because Marquez alway had problem with bodypunching and suddenly low blow.

Chris John was pot shotting pretty well and fought smartly I though if JMM jabbed instead of started with his straight right to the body he he would have controlled the fight pretty well.

but Marquez did have his moment of meaniful shots and combos. I think Marquwz was wanted to his straight right and then hit him with a left hook and make 4-5 combo with it but it pretty hard when a person is moving around pretty quick and jab to take you off rythme. But Marquez did win the Barrera fight because Barrera blew it off it was a 60-40 fight not a clear win for Barrera but just enough for a win but after that KO thing and point deduction which Barrera deserved it he lost the fight. I wonder what he was shouting at Marquez when he was down

[kadyo's]

he had a great fight but lost one this year also, and rafa was getting high himself, i see them both very close to top 10, calderon cant be ignored anymore he has my number 10 spot

You have rafa and israel tied at # 10 and I have him at top 5 so we're not different from so many different organizations that have different lists haha. I agree that calderon must be at the top 10.

[mrpain81]

Marquez is a great fighter and Im glad he's getting his due.


Only top fighters can throw combinations like this.

[kadyo's]

That is if he fight PAc in the coming year he could be aleast the top 5 in everyone list.

He got Casamayor, Santa Cruz, David Daiz and Manny Pac maybe JMM is coming up on weight

Now it's david daiz haha!! Manny has a lot of business at 130 but if he wants to fight juan diaz then he better think 10 times. Juan can become # 1 by cleaning 135 and fight castillo, then hatton then floyd.

[moy22487]

You have rafa and israel tied at # 10 and I have him at top 5 so we're not different from so many different organizations that have different lists haha. I agree that calderon must be at the top 10.

i think the winner of vazquez vs marquez 3 will break into top 10 since they both have wins in 2 of this years greatest fights

[joepal]

Pacman jumped to the p4p list because he beat marco. Marco made a good winning run after that lose and got back a championship back then was beaten by juan manuel.

pacquiao-marquez is a DRAW which happened eons ago so take a rest and live with it.

So this draw with Pacquiao, and this close MAB win makes him p4p. I dunno why I have to argue this with you, a Filipino of all people, but here goes.

Manny Pacquiao beat MAB (p4p 3) in the first fight. He may have drew with JMM but he proceeded to beat world-beater Erik Morales twice in a trilogy and that's what makes him a p4p entrant. Whom did JMM beat? Jandaeng and Jaca is not exactly your definition of elite, Larios and Lucero is so much better. JMM did not beat John. His only claim to fame is a draw (of all things) and a controversial decision against a MAB, WHOM PACQUIAO DECISIVELY BEAT the last time out. Tell me then, why should JMM be placed alongside FMJ Jr. and Manny Pacquiao in the top three?

[eazy_mas]

Marquez is a great fighter and Im glad he's getting his due.


Only top fighters can throw combinations like this.

Yeah is the best guy to throw combos in this era or one of the best at least.

Now it's david daiz haha!! Manny has a lot of business at 130 but if he wants to fight juan diaz then he better think 10 times. Juan can become # 1 by cleaning 135 and fight castillo, then hatton then floyd.

David Daiz got the belt which if he hold all 4 belt he move up in weight to 140 or wait for Pac.

Pac is a good brawler but It look like a there is an upset waiting for him and if PAc goes to 135 I dont think he could handl the top guy because some are weighing like 150 or something like that

[kadyo's]

So this draw with Pacquiao, and this close MAB win makes him p4p. I dunno why I have to argue this with you, a Filipino of all people, but here goes.

Manny Pacquiao beat MAB (p4p 3) in the first fight. He may have drew with JMM but he proceeded to beat world-beater Erik Morales twice in a trilogy and that's what makes him a p4p entrant. Whom did JMM beat? Jandaeng and Jaca is not exactly your definition of elite, Larios and Lucero is so much better. JMM did not beat John. His only claim to fame is a draw (of all things) and a controversial decision against a MAB, WHOM PACQUIAO DECISIVELY BEAT the last time out. Tell me then, why should JMM be placed alongside FMJ Jr. and Manny Pacquiao in the top three?

LMFAO and what does it has to do with the p4p list?