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  • Wiley Hyena
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    #11
    Originally posted by warp1432
    How the hell do you not find Roy Jones Jr exciting? I can see Floyd or Bernard, but Roy? Seriously?

    And no I don't think general fans will like Hatton's style because he "clinches to much." I don't have that much of a problem with it, but the general audience probably will.
    I found both Roy and Bernard exciting at times, Bernard more so in his prime than Roy. I say this because, while magnificently talented, Roy tended to fight tomato cans if he believed he could get away with it and still make the big money. That was his business plan and it was seminal to the way many young stars approach the game right now, including Floyd. Bernard on the other hand didn't become a businessman first, until after he was past his prime, IMO. Before Bernard became a superstar, he was at his best. I really hated to put him in that short list, but in the last few years he's really taken advantage of the fanbase and their PPV dollars, IMO.

    Boxing is on the verge of coming back to life after almost two decades of gouging. IMO Mike Tyson and Roy Jones Jr. ushered in a cynical era for boxing. There were exceptions, and I include as exceptions many great Latino boxers, whose machismo simply won't let them subscribe to the cynical business plan. If it weren't for the exceptions, boxing would have been comatose and perhaps figuratively dead right now. The heavyweight division is currently on life support.

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      #12
      Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
      How is Floyd protecting an unbeaten record by fighting a top ten p4p guy? Who is actually younger and bigger than him? And undefeated?

      Please help me understand.

      LOL @ bigger..

      do you mean in between fights when he isnt in FIGHT shape?

      Hatton 5'6 and a 65' arm reach.

      Floyd 5'8 and a 72' arm reach.....

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        #13
        Originally posted by Wiley Hyena
        I found both Roy and Bernard exciting at times, Bernard more so in his prime than Roy. I say this because, while magnificently talented, Roy tended to fight tomato cans if he believed he could get away with it and still make the big money. That was his business plan and it was seminal to the way many young stars approach the game right now, including Floyd. Bernard on the other hand didn't become a businessman first, until after he was past his prime, IMO. Before Bernard became a superstar, he was at his best. I really hated to put him in that short list, but in the last few years he's really taken advantage of the fanbase and their PPV dollars, IMO.
        Roy beat young/prime/fresh Hopkins and Toney.

        Hopkins + Toney > Sharmba + Zab.

        Scratch that.

        Hopkins + Toney >>>>>>>>> Sharmba + Zab.

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          #14
          Originally posted by c'monmang'
          LOL @ bigger..

          do you mean in between fights when he isnt in FIGHT shape?

          Hatton 5'6 and a 65' arm reach.

          Floyd 5'8 and a 72' arm reach.....
          Hatton is 154 on fight night.
          Floyd is 146-148 on fight night.

          Hatton has 43 fights at 140+
          Floyd has 7 fights at 140+

          Hatton was a JWW at 21 years old.
          Floyd was a SFW at 21 years old.

          Hatton and Graham have said they are bigger.

          If height and reach were the measure of who's "bigger", then Paul Williams is "bigger" than Mike Tyson.

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            #15
            Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
            How is Floyd protecting an unbeaten record by fighting a top ten p4p guy? Who is actually younger and bigger than him? And undefeated?

            Please help me understand.
            Hatton at 5'6" and Floyd at 5'8 3/4", WHO is bigger?

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              #16
              Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
              Roy beat young/prime/fresh Hopkins and Toney.

              Hopkins + Toney > Sharmba + Zab.

              Scratch that.

              Hopkins + Toney >>>>>>>>> Sharmba + Zab.
              This is Roy's record after the Toney fight and up until Antonio Tarver. You be the judge:

              1995
              Mar. 18 -- Antoine Byrd, Pensacola, Florida, TKO 1
              (Retained IBF super middleweight title)
              June 24 -- Vinny Pazienza, Atlantic City, New Jersey, TKO 6
              (Retained IBF super middleweight title)
              Sep. 30 -- Tony Thornton, Pensacola, Florida, TKO 2
              (Retained IBF super middleweight title)


              1996
              Jan. 12 -- Merqui Sosa, New York City, TKO 2
              June 15 -- Eric Lucas, Jacksonville, Florida, KO 11
              (Retained IBF super middleweight title)
              Oct. 4 -- Bryant Brannon, New York City, KO 2
              (Retained IBF super middleweight title)
              Nov. 22 -- Mike McCallum, Tampa, Florida, W 12
              (Won interim WBC light heavyweight title)


              1997
              Mar. 21 -- Montell Griffin, Atlantic City, New Jersey, L DQ 9
              (Lost WBC light heavyweight title)
              Aug. 21 -- Montell Griffin, Ledyard, Connecticut, KO 1
              (Regained WBC light heavyweight title)


              1998
              Apr. 25 -- Virgil Hill, Biloxi,Mississippi, KO 4
              July 18 -- Lou Del Valle, New York, W 12
              (Unified WBC and WBA light heavyweight titles)
              Nov. 14 -- Otis Grant, Mashantucket, Connecticut, TKO 10
              (Retained WBC and WBA light heavyweight titles)


              1999
              Jan. 9 -- Rick Frazier, Pensacola, Florida, KO 2
              (Retained WBC and WBA light heavyweight titles)
              June 5 -- Reggie Johnson, Biloxi, Mississippi, W 12
              (Unifies WBA-WBC-IBF light heavyweight titles)


              2000
              Jan. 15 -- David Telesco, New York City, W 12
              (Retained unified light heavyweight title)
              May 13 -- Richard Hall, Indianapolis, Indiana, TKO 11
              (Retained unified light heavyweight title)
              Sept. 9 -- Eric Harding, New Orleans, Louisiana, TKO 10
              (Retained unified light heavyweight title)


              2001
              Feb. 24 -- Derrick Harmon, Tampa, Florida, TKO 10
              (Retained unified light heavyweight title)
              July 28 -- Julio Gonzalez, Los Angeles, California, W 12
              (Retained unified light heavyweight title)


              2002
              Feb. 2 -- Glenn Kelly, Miami, Florida, TKO 7
              (Retained unified light heavyweight title)
              Sept. 7 -- Clinton Woods, Portland, Oregon, TKO 6
              (Retained unified light heavyweight title)


              2003
              March 1 -- John Ruiz, Las Vegas, Nevada, W 12
              (Captured WBA heavyweight title)
              Nov. 8 -- Antonio Tarver, Las Vegas, Nevada, W 12
              (Captured WBC light heavyweight title)

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                #17
                Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
                Hatton is 154 on fight night.
                Floyd is 146-148 on fight night.

                Hatton has 43 fights at 140+
                Floyd has 7 fights at 140+

                Hatton was a JWW at 21 years old.
                Floyd was a SFW at 21 years old.

                Hatton and Graham have said they are bigger.

                If height and reach were the measure of who's "bigger", then Paul Williams is "bigger" than Mike Tyson.

                great. thanks for ALL of that

                what will they weigh on FIGHT NIGHT?

                iS Tyson fighting at welter weight?

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by gavinz1970
                  Hatton at 5'6" and Floyd at 5'8 3/4", WHO is bigger?
                  Paul Williams at 6'2" and Mike Tyson at 5'10", WHO IS BIGGER?

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by c'monmang'
                    great. thanks for ALL of that :

                    what will they weigh on FIGHT NIGHT?

                    iS Tyson fighting at welter weight?
                    Read my post. I told you what they weigh on FIGHT NIGHT.

                    Did that confuse you?

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                    • Wiley Hyena
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by c'monmang'
                      great. thanks for ALL of that

                      what will they weigh on FIGHT NIGHT?

                      iS Tyson fighting at welter weight?
                      Dios ALWAYS says Floyd is fighting the "bigger man". He's said that about almost everyone of Floyd's opponents after moving out of Jr. Welterweight.

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