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[Maxy]

At the end of the day they were both too stubborn to make the fight happen. Calzaghe called Jones out a helluva lot. Don't ask me for evidence but he most definitely did. I wanted the fight to happen. I'm no fan of Calzaghe and I would have liked to see Jones beat him.

However, stubborness stopped the fight ever getting into serious negociation and that robbed us, the fans, of what could have been a great fight.

[Unseen]

Unseen,

Do you feel that 2007 MAB has more left than 2007 DLH?

mab didn't show a good fight. that could be due to him being old, or that pac was too good or that he didn't want to be knocked out.

oscar gave a good fight to floyld. he gassed out and was inactive for 1 whole year.

oscar gave a good fight because floyld has a style that can allow you to chase as he doesnt push you. espcially since oscar is bigger.

[Unseen]

a) Where were the bulk of the top fighters in/around Calzaghe's weight class - UK or USA?

b) How many fights did Calzaghe have in the USA?

where do most champions fight? do most champions have a choice where to fight?

[Wiley Hyena]

Can you find evidence of Calzaghe trying to make a fight with Jones?

Understood, but I'm not staking anything on this argument. You may be right or wrong. I'm just watching this unfold so I can make a decision. Objectively, from what I've seen thus far there is no reason to believe that Joe Cal dodged Jones. That's all. If it's out there, then please show it to us.

[Vladimir303]

Well, by 2006 Jones was beaten down. Obviously Kessler is the better fight to take for Calzaghe. What about before 2006? You are insinuating that Calzaghe dodged Jones. Where is the evidence for that? You may be right, I just have not seen the evidence, if there is any.

Calzaghe didn't dodge Jones, he just didn't try hard enough to get a fight with him. I remember years ago after every Calzaghe fight on showtime, he would mention Roy Jones and that he wants to fight him YET he never came to America to persue him. He keept playing it safe defending his WBO title in Whales. At that time Calzaghe was a big fish in a small pond in Whales while RJJ was considered P4P king on top of the boxing world.

What Calzaghe shoud have done is split up from Frank Warren like Hatton did and persue bigger fights in America. In that department I give Hatton alot of credit.
Frank Warren is milking these guys back home selling out arenas watching his pockets get fat. He doesn't care about their legacy's but Hatton got rid of him and now he is fighting the P4P best in Mayweather.

[Unseen]

Can you find evidence of Calzaghe trying to make a fight with Jones?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/4795400.stm

Warren working on Calzaghe-Jones

Jones is considered one of boxing's all-time greats
Joe Calzaghe's promoter Frank Warren has confirmed he is in talks with Roy Jones Jr's camp with a view to making a fight in Cardiff on 8 July.
Former four-weight world champion Jones has already told BBC Sport he would be willing to take the fight.

"If we can agree terms, I'd make the fight in a heartbeat," Warren told BBC Radio Five Live. "I've been speaking to Jones' lawyer for about a month now.

"It depends on what sort of money the US TV networks put up for the fight."

Roy Jones Jr:
Career profile

Calzaghe, 33, is the hottest property in boxing following his spectacular win over Jeff Lacy in Manchester last weekend.

Jones, 37, from Pensacola, Florida, is considered the best fighter of the 1990s and one of the all-time greats.

"We tried to make this fight many years ago but the stumbling block was always what Roy wanted to be paid," added Warren.

I knew how good Joe was, but I hadn't seen him for a while. I have to say he looked better than ever

Roy Jones Jr
"But Roy's lost his last few fights and he needs a big fight - and he needs Joe more than Joe needs him.

"The guys that give Roy trouble are southpaws, which is Joe. I think Joe will be too strong for him, too fast for him and I believe he'd knock him out."

Meanwhile, Jones told BBC Sport Wales on Saturday: "My future holds Calzaghe, that's what the public wants so that's what they'll get.

"The 8 July suits me. I'll fight in Britain at super middleweight or light heavyweight, Calzaghe excites me."

Jones won titles at middleweight, super middleweight and light heavyweight, before his historic WBA heavyweight win over John Ruiz in 2003.

Jones is a shadow of his former self

From SB
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He then moved back to light heavyweight for a controversial win over Antonio Tarver, his 49th consecutive victory.

But since that win in November 2003, he has suffered three successive defeats, twice to Tarver and once to Jamaican Glen Johnson.

He was knocked clean out in two of those defeats, with many feeling that he has lost his speed, reactions and punching power.

"Beating Calzaghe will be the start to getting me back on top," Jones added.

"It would have been crazy for me to have fought him in Britain before because I was the man at the top of the pile, but now I'll take the gamble of an overseas trip.

"Calzaghe is dangerous and very capable of beating anyone on a given day, it's certainly a bout to excite me.

"Calzaghe's performance against Lacy made a big impression in America, he shocked the US public.

"I knew how good he was, but I hadn't seen him for a while. I have to say he looked better than ever.

"He's undoubtedly the best super middleweight out there, his record speaks for itself. But I'd come there looking to knock him out."

The Back Page
*Roy Jones Jr was speaking to BBC Radio Wales' The Back Page programme, which has a regular slot on Saturdays, 0830-0900 GMT

[Wiley Hyena]

Calzaghe didn't dodge Jones, he just didn't try hard enough to get a fight with him. I remember years ago after every Calzaghe fight on showtime, he would mention Roy Jones and that he wants to fight him YET he never came to America to persue him. He keept playing it safe defending his WBO title in Whales. At that time Calzaghe was a big fish in a small pond in Whales while RJJ was considered P4P king on top of the boxing world.

What Calzaghe shoud have done is split up from Frank Warren like Hatton did and persue bigger fights in America. In that department I give Hatton alot of credit.
Frank Warren is milking these guys back home selling out arenas watching his pockets get fat. He doesn't care about their legacy's but Hatton got rid of him and now he is fighting the P4P best in Mayweather.

Ok, fine. You think coming over here to America took priority over going to Britain to fight. That's your opionion and it's not unreasonable.

But, how does this somehow exclude Calzaghe from top ten p4p ranking?
It doesn't, as far as I can see. I thought that was the issue. Damn man, if Calzaghe will fight for the money in Britain, then why not do what Lacey did and go over there and do it. After all Calzaghe is only the longest reigning champ on record today. Maybe he's earned the right to name the place.

[Vladimir303]

Ok, fine. You think coming over here to America took priority over going to Britain to fight. That's your opionion and it's not unreasonable.

But, how does this somehow exclude Calzaghe from top ten p4p ranking?
It doesn't, as far as I can see. I thought that was the issue. Damn man, if Calzaghe will fight for the money in Britain, then why not do what Lacey did and go over there and do it. After all Calzaghe is only the longest reigning champ on record today. Maybe he's earned the right to name the place.

It's understandable if Roy Jones comes to Whales at this point. Calzaghe should get paid more also. But back in the day Calzaghe was the Jeff Lacy of the two. He was the one who needed to get on that plane and come to America. He never did. Hatton understands this which is why he got rid of greedy ass Frank Warren to persue his career and fight the best.

That's the difference between the undefeated Calzaghe and the undefeated Hatton.

Calzaghe is waiting for the top guys to come over his way while Hatton persued the top guys going after them. That's why it took Calzaghe years to get some recignition because Lacy felt like he could knock Godzilla out at that point and didn't care.

What if Lacy never bothered with Calzaghe in Whales? Joe would still be defending his title fighting unworthy contenders.

[Unseen]

It's understandable if Roy Jones comes to Whales at this point. Calzaghe should get paid more also. But back in the day Calzaghe was the Jeff Lacy of the two. He was the one who needed to get on that plane and come to America. He never did. Hatton understands this which is why he got rid of greedy ass Frank Warren to persue his career and fight the best.

That's the difference between the undefeated Calzaghe and the undefeated Hatton.

hatton may have elft frank, but hes still a fat person. you get me?

[Unseen]

dios reply to me biatch.

so do champions usually fight where they choose or not?

oh and look at the link to the bcc webpage. jones didn't wanna fight joe because he felt he was on top of the world and would eb crazy to go there. he knew joe was good. so there's your evidence that joe did try to make a fight with jones. it's just that jones would ask some silly amount.