Will Floyd go down as an ATG If he beats Hatton?

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  • Easton Assassin
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    #61
    Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
    Because I then have to ask myself about all the other guys in his generation. How many prime elites did THEY beat.

    real quickly, here's the FMJ resume:

    3 national Golden Gloves
    Olympic medal, robbed of gold.(your opinion)
    Champion by 21
    Ten years as continuous champion.
    TEN YEARS on Ring Mag p4p list
    Three years as #1 P4P
    Beat the best at 130, 135, 140( thought he only fought Castillo at 135 and gatti at 140 how is that the best?)
    Beat top guys at 147, 154 ( so judah and the bum who beat him are the best at 147)
    Champion in five weight classes.(cherry picked)
    Never really been hurt or knocked down.
    39-0
    Wins over delahoya, judah, castillo, corrales, hatton, manfredy, chavez, famoso, goyo vargas, corley, sharmba, gatti, etc.
    His only disputed decision was rematched immediately.( yeah and he formulated the boreing ass style we now have)

    So, I have to ask myself about his contemporaries with the better wins or better resumes. I'm ABSOLUTELY willing to take suggestions.

    I like Jermain taylor's resume. But I also have to believe my eyes.
    I like Hopkins' resume, but I saw him lose to Roy and the HillBilly.
    I like Roy's resume, and have him ranked with Floyd
    MAB/Pac/Erik diminished each other.
    Calzaghe hasn't beat a ****in soul

    Se parenthesis.

    Quality of opposition is everything. DLH is considered great because he consistantly fought the best( the real best DIOS, not paper champs)

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    • Dirt E Gomez
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      #62
      Originally posted by RodBarker
      And the fans didnt have the internet or means of communication we have , nothings changed in mans lynch mob attitudes , you cant see today because you are in the middle of it , the big picture of today is tomorrows history and it cannot be compared before it happens .
      A man after my heart. This is one of the essential things about boxing people have to look at. I get that not talking about **** and waiting for fighters to retire or years to go by before talking about them would be boring... but that is when **** is put into perspective.

      People are quick to talk about the current climate as ****ty and yearn for a return to the past. It's been that way for years and years and years. We yearn for what we don't have, which is a chance to see and watch the fighters we heard/read/watched about.

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        #63
        Originally posted by Easton Assassin
        Se parenthesis.

        Quality of opposition is everything. DLH is considered great because he consistantly fought the best( the real best DIOS, not paper champs)


        There is a major difference between beating the best AND fighting the best.

        In that case Vargas is the best since ha faced Shane 2x, Oscar, Tito.

        Oscar's best win is Quartey since he was prime. Chavez 2x, and Whitaker (on crack and still almost beat oscar) do as much for his legacy as Floyd beating a past his prime Delahoya.

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        • Easton Assassin
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          #64
          Originally posted by Dirt E Gomez
          There, I fixed it for you.

          I'm sorry that the fighters Floyd fought had flaws. Perhaps next time he chooses an opponent he'll fight an engineered weapon of war w/ no flaws that will one day destroy our species.
          I'd settle for a live prime champ!

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            #65
            Originally posted by gavinz1970
            So even though Hatton is highly regarded as one of the 10 best p4p in the sport today you classify him as "mediocre." And if Floyd loses to this "mediocre" fighter it only knocks him down ONE peg.
            Well, Tszyu lost to a fighter that didn't even sniff P4P. How much should we knock Tszyu down?

            How much should we knock MAB down for the JJ losses?

            And yes, I am saying that Hatton is overrated. He is not a top ten fighter.

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            • Konfusious
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              #66
              Mayweather shouldn't go down as ATG just after defeating Hatton because as stated by others, Hatton isn't respected by many boxing insiders. If Mayweather gets in the ring with the winner of Cotto/Mosley (Cotto), and defeats them he would atleast in my book be an ATG.

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              • DIOS DOMINICANO
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                #67
                Originally posted by Easton Assassin
                I'd settle for a live prime champ!
                Was Corrales? Castillo? Hatton?

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                • Easton Assassin
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                  #68
                  blah blah blah



                  there, i fixed it for ya dirty!


                  *****!

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                  • Dirt E Gomez
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Easton Assassin
                    I'd settle for a live prime champ!
                    So like... Hatton or Corrales? This is 2007, not 1957. There's a plethora of belts, a lot of red tape, and a lot more money at stake. It is not Floyd, or anybody's fault that there are a lot of belt holders and unified champs are hard to come by.

                    There hasn't been a lot of great opposition that Floyd dodged. Had Judah not ****ed it up against Baldomir that would've been one that people could shutup about... and he still beat Baldomir.

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                    • Konfusious
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by vladimir303
                      There is a major difference between beating the best AND fighting the best.

                      In that case Vargas is the best since ha faced Shane 2x, Oscar, Tito.

                      Oscar's best win is Quartey since he was prime. Chavez 2x, and Whitaker (on crack and still almost beat oscar) do as much for his legacy as Floyd beating a past his prime Delahoya.[/SIZE]

                      Seriously, took the words right out of my mouth.

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