Kermit Cintron-Paul Williams Agreement Reached

[mrrupo]

Being the best of your era should hold alot of weight. Things were so much different back than we don't even know how good the fighters from yesteryear would fair now. We have an IDEA of how they would fair but we just don't know. Era's have their own greats, rules, and abilities. So being the best of YOUR particular era should mean alot, IMO.

if by some odd ass chance that floyd fights pavlik after hatton and beats him,how the **** does that not make 'em the greatest?you think ray robinson would've beaten patterson or marciano?**** no.i want to see cotto mayweather,but i give props when it's due,a former super feather beating a big ass hard hitting middle?come on.

better conditioned? there were 15 round fights back then and even more back in the beginning days, Robinson had 250+ fights ALL being 15 rounds meaning he fought at least twice a month in fights that went 3 rounds longer than ones today, his whole life was spent from the ring to the gym yo he was a true beast.. he was in constant training for fights that were going 15 rounds, fighting more than 10 times per year and you mean to tell me Floyd Mayweather Jr who averages 2 fights a year maybe 3 is going to be a better conditioned athlete? I truly resent that dogz, Floyd could step up and KO Joe Calzaghe in 1 round and he still wont be a Sugar Ray Robinson.. see the thing is that would be only 1 truly monumental thing Floyd would do but Sugar Ray did **** like that plenty of times, like clockwork.. 100

it does mean a whole lot and he gets ALL the credit he deserves and then some from me but if thats the case then you have to go based on accomplishments because 200 years from now thats all people will see, just like now it will be the old ass wrinkled experts saying just how great a fighter is that the younger generation of the fans wont know **** about, hence you will have to look at the accomplishments and their overall career's, no doubt Floyd is the best of our era, he competed in enough weight classes to make that claim but you honestly telling me he's up there with Sugar Ray Robinson? not hardly, there are Sugar Ray victims that are better than Floyd let alone Robinson himself, we ain't talking about 2 different worlds here we talking about 2 different galaxies.. 100

You think because Floyd fights 12 rounds, which is THE RULES today he isn't as good a conditioned athlete that SRR. Floyd fights 15 rounds without a bell. Rounds can go on for 5 or 6 minutes before it is stopped. They both trained year round and were both well conditioned. Noone can be as good as the greatest from yesteryear, people of this day made reaching that level impossible.

You guys should really start another thread for this topic... I mean, im enjoying your bantering and think there are some great points, but start a new thread.

[SkillspayBills]

You guys should really start another thread for this topic... I mean, im enjoying your bantering and think there are some great points, but start a new thread.

True this thread is all Williams and Cintron, a fight that will definitely lead to big things next year.

[crillz]

You think because Floyd fights 12 rounds, which is THE RULES today he isn't as good a conditioned athlete that SRR. Floyd fights 15 rounds without a bell. Rounds can go on for 5 or 6 minutes before it is stopped. They both trained year round and were both well conditioned. Noone can be as good as the greatest from yesteryear, people of this day made reaching that level impossible.

I ain't saying Floyd ain't athletic, I LIKE Floyd I ain't bashing him I'm just calling it like it is.. whatever you can say about Floyd I can say about Ray Robinson times 3 dogz it ain't hate it's truth.. by the time Floyd retires you can multiply his number of fights times 2 and it probably wont add up to Robinson's KO number, to compare the 2 is bananas.. and for the record let me be the one to announce I was thinking about Archie Moore's record when I said when I said that 250+ win comment, Ray was still in the 100's which is still phenomenal.. 100

[crillz]

if by some odd ass chance that floyd fights pavlik after hatton and beats him,how the **** does that not make 'em the greatest?you think ray robinson would've beaten patterson or marciano?**** no.i want to see cotto mayweather,but i give props when it's due,a former super feather beating a big ass hard hitting middle?come on.

you want to talk about the greatest? aight lets go, Robinson had many wars with Jake Lamotta and got the best of it in terms of wins, thats the Raging Bull (the real one) and then he beats Henry Armstrong who in case you didn't know was the only fighter in history to hold a world title in 3 different weight classes at the same time and just bounced up and down defending the belts.. he beats Kid Gavilan who was a great himself, fought Carmen Basillio, Gene Fulmer, Joey Maxim and Randy Turpin just to name a few and if you know anything about these guys you'll know some are Middleweights some are not but Robinson? he started out at 130-135 in his career and made it all the way to Light Heavyweight and only lost because he got too consumed by the heat, a Lightweight made it all the way to Light Heavyweight and ONLY lost due to the heat and this is against the champion of the division, even the referee had to fall back and be replaced during the fight..

let's break it down here, he started his career in the same weight Floyd began his and Ray became Middleweight champion, so much of a Middleweght that many call him the best Middleweight ever, even went up to Light Heavyweight and you trying to seriously tell me if Floyd Mayweather moved to Middleweight and beat Kelly Pavlik for 1 fight and then retire or come back down he will be better than Ray? I don't think so homeboy.. Robinson himself would have beaten Pavlik no question. it's 2 different worlds, 2 different mega forces, Robinson was in a whole other level dogz it's just truth.. 100

[the Bender]

you want to talk about the greatest? aight lets go, Robinson had many wars with Jake Lamotta and got the best of it in terms of wins, thats the Raging Bull (the real one) and then he beats Henry Armstrong who in case you didn't know was the only fighter in history to hold a world title in 3 different weight classes at the same time and just bounced up and down defending the belts.. he beats Kid Gavilan who was a great himself, fought Carmen Basillio, Gene Fulmer, Joey Maxim and Randy Turpin just to name a few and if you know anything about these guys you'll know some are Middleweights some are not but Robinson? he started out at 130-135 in his career and made it all the way to Light Heavyweight and only lost because he got too consumed by the heat, a Lightweight made it all the way to Light Heavyweight and ONLY lost due to the heat and this is against the champion of the division, even the referee had to fall back and be replaced during the fight..

let's break it down here, he started his career in the same weight Floyd began his and Ray became Middleweight champion, so much of a Middleweght that many call him the best Middleweight ever, even went up to Light Heavyweight and you trying to seriously tell me if Floyd Mayweather moved to Middleweight and beat Kelly Pavlik for 1 fight and then retire or come back down he will be better than Ray? I don't think so homeboy.. Robinson himself would have beaten Pavlik no question. it's 2 different worlds, 2 different mega forces, Robinson was in a whole other level dogz it's just truth.. 100

May i add on? also robinson had over 200 hundred fights, 173 wins with a 108 knockouts. his knockouts alone more than triple all of floyds fights put together. He only lost 19 of those fights and 90 percent of them all came when he was an old man who was only fighting for money. He fought and beat numerous greats such as lamotta, besilleo, armstrong, turpin, graziano, fullmer, the list goes on and on. he beat some of the best fighters of all time, he beat legends of the ring that are some of the best to have ever fought. Mayweather has what, 37-38 fights. wow, he is a gifted fighter with losts of talent and skill who is undefeated in 38 fights, impressive yes, greatest of all time NO ****IN WAY!!! he hasnt fought anywhere near the competetion the robinson did plus he has fought nearly enough. Robinson was undeafeated in over a hundred fights and after he first lost he went undefeated for a nother 90 something fights. honestly, mayweather isn't even close, no where near him.

[the330ballers]

This is a Goosen Tutor card....not Dibella or Top Rank
Andre Ward should have been on the undercard instead of Arreola in my opinion.

goosen said he will fight on the undercard as well assuming he gets by cantrell. dunno if it gets televised though,

[AntonTheMeh]

You guys should really start another thread for this topic... I mean, im enjoying your bantering and think there are some great points, but start a new thread.

i wen't with cintron.

[AntonTheMeh]

you want to talk about the greatest? aight lets go, Robinson had many wars with Jake Lamotta and got the best of it in terms of wins, thats the Raging Bull (the real one) and then he beats Henry Armstrong who in case you didn't know was the only fighter in history to hold a world title in 3 different weight classes at the same time and just bounced up and down defending the belts.. he beats Kid Gavilan who was a great himself, fought Carmen Basillio, Gene Fulmer, Joey Maxim and Randy Turpin just to name a few and if you know anything about these guys you'll know some are Middleweights some are not but Robinson? he started out at 130-135 in his career and made it all the way to Light Heavyweight and only lost because he got too consumed by the heat, a Lightweight made it all the way to Light Heavyweight and ONLY lost due to the heat and this is against the champion of the division, even the referee had to fall back and be replaced during the fight..

let's break it down here, he started his career in the same weight Floyd began his and Ray became Middleweight champion, so much of a Middleweght that many call him the best Middleweight ever, even went up to Light Heavyweight and you trying to seriously tell me if Floyd Mayweather moved to Middleweight and beat Kelly Pavlik for 1 fight and then retire or come back down he will be better than Ray? I don't think so homeboy.. Robinson himself would have beaten Pavlik no question. it's 2 different worlds, 2 different mega forces, Robinson was in a whole other level dogz it's just truth.. 100

i'll start a thread about this.

[MaFu MoFo]

Cintron - Williams is a great fight just as Cotto - Mosley. Some people understimate Cintron and others overstimate Williams. In reality, both are really good boxers. Cintron got great power in his punch and since Emmanuel Stuart took Cintron, he has become more than a puncher, a boxer. Williams win over Margarito open the eyes of much fans. Both defeated Walter Dario Matthysse. Williams needed 10 rounds, Cintron destroyed Matthysse in 2 rounds.

It's sad for boxing fans to see these two battle before having the chance of a bigger fight. I believe Cotto, Mosley and Mayweather Jr. would had had a difficult fight agaisnt these two due the their styles and height. How to reach Williams when he is throwing over 100 punches per round while he can keep distance??? Cotto and MWjr. could have problems with him. The same thing with Cintron, who is pretty tall and has a devastating punch. It is hard to predict a winner here. But I believe the "new" Cintron should be able to win this fight by KO. If it goes all the way, Williams will have the advantage like he did with Margarito.

[MaFu MoFo]

Cintron - Williams is a great fight just as Cotto - Mosley. Some people understimate Cintron and others overstimate Williams. In reality, both are really good boxers. Cintron got great power in his punch and since Emmanuel Stuart took Cintron, he has become more than a puncher, a boxer. Williams win over Margarito open the eyes of much fans. Both defeated Walter Dario Matthysse. Williams needed 10 rounds, Cintron destroyed Matthysse in 2 rounds.

It's sad for boxing fans to see these two battle before having the chance of a bigger fight. I believe Cotto, Mosley and Mayweather Jr. would had had a difficult fight agaisnt these two due the their styles and height. How to reach Williams when he is throwing over 100 punches per round while he can keep distance??? Cotto and MWjr. could have problems with him. The same thing with Cintron, who is pretty tall and has a devastating punch. It is hard to predict a winner here. But I believe the "new" Cintron should be able to win this fight by KO. If it goes all the way, Williams will have the advantage like he did with Margarito.