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You see thats where i think everybody is wrong, you have a full twelve rounds to win a fight, and chavez TOOK advantage of that in the last ten seconds, how do you expect a referee just to GIVE 2 seconds to a guy so he can win, because he faught a good fight, whats the point of having three minute rounds if boxers can earn time to save them as you suggest?
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I guarantee you Steve Smoger would have stopped the fight had Pavlik twice not answered a question he asked him.
I also don't understand how a referee has motives if he gives a fighter not one, but two chances to answer the question. If Steele had motives, he needs to open a psychic hotline, or invest in the stock market, because he would have had to correctly predict that Taylor would not answer his question twice.
I really don't think there was any foul play (except maybe by Chuck Giampa, no idea how Chavez could be ahead on a scorecard at that point) involved in the fight. Like you said, Taylor put together a championship effort... but it wasn't enough.
An analogy that comes to mind is scoring individual rounds. Every year, The Ring magazine determines what round from what fight should be fight of the year... Every single round selected has been ridiculously amazing, with both fighters pouring their hearts and souls into their craft for those three minutes. Even so, only one fighter can win the round, whether it be on all three judges' scorecards, or just two.
Is it fair that Meldrick Taylor lost his title belts with a performance like he put together against Julio Cesar Chavez in their first fight, while Jermain Taylor gets to keep his title belts with his performance against Cory Spinks? No ****ing way, but that is the way boxing works, and all the parties listed above were well aware of that before going into each of their respective fights.Comment
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you talking like he was giving him 2 seconds in a round, he didn't. he was too quick in waving it off, had he took the proper timing the round would have finished on him, it was almost as if he was waiting for a chance last minute to stop him, it wasn't 2 seconds at the end of the 5th it was 2 second at the end of the 12th. Chavez didn't take advantage of **** he just kept doing what he was doing over the course of 12 rounds and he just landed a good blow, Steele wouldn't have given him those 2 seconds, Taylor actually earned it with his clearly winning effort.. what does a referee say when he stops a fight? it was my job to look after the fighters safety and he couldn't take no more punishment, correct?
well, there wasn't enough time for not even 1 more punch to be thrown when Steele waved off the fight so what was he protecting him from? where is his job justified? do you honestly believe Chavez was going to make it to Taylor from the neutral corner and hit him in a critical way with only literally 2 seconds left? no, right? so what was Richard Steele saving him from? what was he unable to continue in? the fight was over, before you can even think what to do the fight is over, Steele just saved Chavez from facing the score cards, IMO it's like I originally thought, he got paid to shut his mouth and stand by his choice, either way he had no justifiable reason to stop Taylor after letting him endure a war over 12 rounds, a war he overcame and was victorious, he cleanly robbed him because why did he wait till so late to stop him? he made him fight his heart out to just snatch his dreams out of his hands.. 100Comment
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1. It's a 12 round fight, and Taylor did not pass the referee's test of whether the bout should be stopped or not. Rememer, you cannot be saved by the bell, in any round, including the 12th and final round, JIM!
2. Steele asked not once, but twice... don't tell me that he rushed it. He still would have had a case to stop it if he asked once and Taylor just looked away and didn't answer.
3. Chavez clearly had taken full advantage of that fight. He was starting to even up the rounds in 9 and 10, and then started to abuse Taylor in 11 and 12.
4. The most important part of all: Steele is not the timekeeper. There is no giant clock that shows how much time is left. There was the taps at the 10 second period, but that was when Chavez knocked him down, and the crowd was in an absolute frenzy. Referees have ****ed up much worse than not hearing the 10 second tap when fans are screaming like the Berlin Wall just came down. At that point, you are giving the referee jurisdiction to not stop a fight in the 12th based on his guess of how much time is left in the round, which could lead to injury or even death. Not a good road to go down.Comment
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that was complete and utter bull****, see for yourself, he just asked him mad quickly "you okay? you okay?" Taylor being clearly dazed and tired, he didn't even tell him to step forward and put his gloves up, all this good refereeing talk and he didn't even do that, he was even winning the round until that point to where I would call it 9-9, Taylor got caught with a good shot and was already tired out of his mind, Chavez didn't expend as much energy yo Taylor was clearly fighting the fight of his life cuz just the round before he threw 1,000+ punches, Steele saw the pace of the fight, he saw what was going down yet he still did what he did, Taylor wasn't out of it as many of you are saying he was just tired and had his hands on the ropes, that right there was a no no that Mr. Steele was supposed to call him on but all he did was ask "you okay? you okay?" then he just waved it off mad fast, I can't lie he paused and glared at Taylor for exactly 1 second but he didn't say "look at me, can you continue?" or "come to me" he just said "you okay? you okay?" then waved it off, he even said it in the interview "I didn't ask him anything I was just worried about his condition", with so much on the line he sould have given Taylor the benefit of the doubt, it should have never been stopped so fast..
had he just given him a proper evaluation to see if he could really keep on the round would have ended on him, I realize there was actually 5 seconds left on the clock now that I dug up the video but even still if Steele would have said "come to me, are you okay.." do that thing with the finger from side to side and see how he reacted the round would have dead ass ended but he stopped it too soon, he didn't give him a proper chance to respond, he saw the pace, he knew they were both tired as **** but it was clearly within the final 10 seconds of the fight so he should have given Taylor the benefit of the doubt, he didn't even check to see if Chavez was in his neutral corner before he stepped to Taylor he just cracked his neck and even when he did that Chavez wasn't in the corner, if he was such a good referee why didn't he make sure Chavez was in that neutral corner, why didn't he properly evaluate Taylor? why did he just wave off the fight? I change my opinion on the under the table pay, Steele doesn't seem like he had any intentions especially in the interview but it WAS a bad call, he was too quick in stopping it.. 100Comment
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That's well put. Steele interpreted Meldrick looking away as a gesture.
Which is the problem really. Steele was trying to interact with Taylor and that's not the fully effective thing to do because being hurt and being distracted are two different things - and Meldrick was distracted. But Steele was jumpy and especially animated for some reason and just thoroughly dramatic and over the top.. If he was more relaxed and capable of thinking for a second he may have realized that Taylor was looking at his corner.
Steele ****ed up. I put it on him because he was the one that was going a million miles an hour when he made the biggest blunder in Boxing history. You don't just wave off a fight IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES in under 2 seconds.
It took Steele 2 seconds to stop that fight. Watch the tape.Comment
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Steele didnt just wave off the fight.
He counted up to 9, then asked him twice if he was ok. Taylor didnt respond. So he should then of asked him some more questions??? How many questions should Steele of asked until Taylor responded?
He didnt even have to ask him if he was ok, but did because Taylor was busted up . He gave Taylor a chance to show he was ok to continue, and Taylor didnt respond.
Also, Steele did make sure Chavez went to a neutral corner. Its the first thing he did. Watch the video, and look and Steeles feet wen Taylor goes down.
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Quick question: Did the unified rules apply in this fight? i.e. you can't be saved by the bell, including the 12th round?Comment
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