richard steele's decision in chavez-taylor 1

[The Noose]

I can't believe some of you actually have the balls to have watched this fight, and wouldn't have gave Taylor the win. Really, this **** disgusts me.
You actually believe that JCC would have won on the score cards?
No.
"He was a shell of his former self"
Yeah, but he would have been a CHAMPION.
He couldn't have stood up for two more seconds?
I can't believe this...
Ya'll are ****ed upped..
I've said before, and I'll say it again...
If I see this ref again, anybody that looks like him on the street...
I'm going to get violent.
And that isn't e-thugging.

Why should anyone give Taylor the win when he was busted up at the end of the 12. He was also exhausted, running on empty.

Because Taylor gave everything he had and still didnt get the win is hard to stomach for any boxing fan. It was the performance of a lifetime.

But no one seems to give Chavez his dues. He took everything from Taylor. And just kept coming. His conditioning and heart and will were amazing. He proved that it aint over till its over and if he had landed that punch 5 seconds sooner, everybody would be hailing it as one of the greatest comebacks ever.

Chavez proved his greatness.
And Taylor proved that a great performance dosent equal greatness in the most unforgiving sport in the world.
A dazzling display of skills doesnt even guarentee the win.

[Sweet Pea 50]

Hey, Bobby, I understand your point.
But to not give Taylor those last two seconds to was just bull****.
Tayor deseved those last two seconds.
**** a stoppage.

[Fox McCloud]

Hey, Bobby, I understand your point.
But to not give Taylor those last two seconds to was just bull****.
Tayor deseved those last two seconds.
**** a stoppage.

What's the cutoff line then? How late in the 12th round does it have to be that a stoppage is unwarranted if a fighter doesn't even attempt to answer a referee's question?

[Sweet Pea 50]

Two seconds to give somebody that gave everything they had to win a belt.
THATS my cutoff line.
Taylor WON that bout.
It's called BOXING.
And Taylor out BOXED JCC in that bout.
If its about blood, then JCC outboxed DLH in there matches...
Wait, what?

[Fox McCloud]

Two seconds to give somebody that gave everything they had to win a belt.
THATS my cutoff line.
Taylor WON that bout.
It's called BOXING.
And Taylor out BOXED JCC in that bout.
If its about blood, then JCC outboxed DLH in there matches...
Wait, what?

Boxing is important... my favorite 4 fighters are slicksters. Knockouts can nullify boxing though.

I think it is crazy that Richard Steele is supposed to determine what the cutoff line is during the bout. It is true, that he didn't know how much time was left in the round. It is also true that he gave Meldrick every opportunity he could for him to answer the question. I think it is asking way too much of a referee to establish a correct cutoff line for stoppages, when they are not the timekeepers for the bout. The real cutoff line is when the bell rings in the final round. That's the most fair way to determine it IMO.

[The Noose]

Hey, Bobby, I understand your point.
But to not give Taylor those last two seconds to was just bull****.
Tayor deseved those last two seconds.
**** a stoppage.

Two seconds to give somebody that gave everything they had to win a belt.
THATS my cutoff line.
Taylor WON that bout.
It's called BOXING.
And Taylor out BOXED JCC in that bout.
If its about blood, then JCC outboxed DLH in there matches...
Wait, what?

In boxing u dont deserve to be given anything. Those 2 seconds werent Taylors because he had taken too many punches to the head and was busted up. Plus he was hurt and exhausted and was put down by the stronger man.

To give the fight to Taylor is to take it away from Chavez who deserved it due to the fact that his head is made of stone and he is a ****ing machine.
That is also boxing.

**** who deserved it, and who we all wanted to win. Thats being biased because of the emotional attachment. (or somthing)

Boxing is plain ****in cold at times.

[brently1979]

Boxing is important... my favorite 4 fighters are slicksters. Knockouts can nullify boxing though.

I think it is crazy that Richard Steele is supposed to determine what the cutoff line is during the bout. It is true, that he didn't know how much time was left in the round. It is also true that he gave Meldrick every opportunity he could for him to answer the question. I think it is asking way too much of a referee to establish a correct cutoff line for stoppages, when they are not the timekeepers for the bout. The real cutoff line is when the bell rings in the final round. That's the most fair way to determine it IMO.

You nailed it Dwiens.

[Fox McCloud]

You nailed it Dwiens.

I mean, don't get me wrong, it is an absolute tragedy what happened to Taylor's career after that fight, and that he didn't get his signature win that would have been a lifelong treasure memory, but... I agree with (sorry I can't remember your SN right now) that guy with the [Church of Satan] avatar, nothing is deserved.

Taylor would have easily won a 10 round fight.

Chavez would have easily won a 15 round fight.

Chavez narrowly won the 12 round fight, by 2 seconds.

Also, no one can ***** about rules if they consent to them beforehand. It's not like Meldrick Taylor was unaware that he was require to respond to a referee's question after a knockdown. He consented to this, and he knew that he should have. The fact that he didn't is testament to Steele knowing what he is required to do to protect a fighter.

To not stop the fight for Chavez in the 12th, because it was "too close to the end" is more of a robbery than an impartial third party protecting Taylor's victory when time is left in the round/fight.

[The Noose]

I mean, don't get me wrong, it is an absolute tragedy what happened to Taylor's career after that fight, and that he didn't get his signature win that would have been a lifelong treasure memory, but... I agree with (sorry I can't remember your SN right now) that guy with the Satan's church avatar, nothing is deserved.

Taylor would have easily won a 10 round fight.

Chavez would have easily won a 15 round fight.

Chavez narrowly won the 12 round fight, by 2 seconds.

Also, no one can ***** about rules if they consent to them beforehand. It's not like Meldrick Taylor was unaware that he was require to respond to a referee's question after a knockdown. He consented to this, and he knew that he should have. The fact that he didn't is testament to Steele knowing what he is required to do to protect a fighter.

To not stop the fight for Chavez in the 12th, because it was "too close to the end" is more of a robbery than an impartial third party protecting Taylor's victory when time is left in the round/fight.

Its Church of Satan not Satans Church.

[Sweet Pea 50]

You dudes have some good points.
But I'm not looking for the aftermath of the fight.
I'm just looking at Taylor vs JCC 1 on its own merits. And Taylor showed enough to ME to earn those last two seconds.
He should have held that belt. I'm not fighting over whether or not when a fight should be stopped.
It's a cruel ass sport boxing.
ALL I'm saying is Taylor sould have been the champ that night. He deserved it.
Instead of some REFF with motives waving the fight as a KO.
Should Pavlik been stopped in da 2nd round? type bull****?
No.
Taylor should have got his u/d win over JCC?
I don't know...