Who's Best 140lb Fighter in History

[Wiley Hyena]

Not at all I just dont see how he had no superfights with a prime elite fighter and gets beaten by a journeyman then refuses to redeem himself and then quits on his stool and somehow ends up the best in history , doesnt make sense to me ,,, even in this poll how can he be higher than Ricky Hatton , thats obviously nut huggers at work , I have nothing against Kostya and know he was a top fighter , I just dont put him on Mt Olympus he has not earned it .

Who did you vote for Wiley LOL , and Im supposed to be a Floyd hugger , Im a realist and because I have a point of view dont make me hugger .

No "prime elite fighters", huh?? lol You are just plain ignorant.
Hector Lopez, Jake Rodriguez, Hugo Pineda, Diobelys Hurtado, Miguel Angel Gonzales, Sharmba Mitchell I, Zab Judah......these were all great fights against elite fighters. Note, I didn't throw the destruction of J.C. Chavez in there because he was old...but still good. Every one of the above mentioned fighters were championship caliber. Miguel Angel Gonzales presents a good case in point. Here was a great Mexican champion. He was manhandled by Tszyu. A prime Oscar De La Hoya won a comeback 12 round decision from Gonzales and the media hooped it up as a pivotal win in Oscar's career. No sir, they are not like that string of bums that Floyd fought when he was in the 135-140 weight classes.

You want superfights? Is it Tszyu's fault that Oscar let himself be stripped of the WBC Jr. WW belt rather than fight Tszyu? Is it Tszyu's fault that Mosely never risked his superstar status on a fight with Tszyu? Is it Tszyu's fault that Floyd skipped out on a fight with Tszyu? No, indeed it is not. Those fights didn't happen for a reason. Give all the excuses you want. The reason is that Tszyu was too formidable to risk superstar status on. So you can take your "superfights" and stick them up your ass.


edit: and if you want to go into the Floyd dodged Tszyu thing again, then please google "Mayweather and the 5 Bums" for my concise and detailed explanation.

[ThaHorseman]

No "prime elite fighters", huh?? lol You are just plain ignorant.
Hector Lopez, Jake Rodriguez, Hugo Pineda, Diobelys Hurtado, Miguel Angel Gonzales, Sharmba Mitchell I, Zab Judah......these were all great fights against elite fighters. Note, I didn't throw the destruction of J.C. Chavez in there because he was old...but still good. Every one of the above mentioned fighters were championship caliber. Miguel Angel Gonzales presents a good case in point. Here was a great Mexican champion. He was manhandled by Tszyu. A prime Oscar De La Hoya won a comeback 12 round decision from Gonzales and the media hooped it up as a pivotal win in Oscar's career. No sir, they are not like that string of bums that Floyd fought when he was in the 135-140 weight classes.

You want superfights? Is it Tszyu's fault that Oscar let himself be stripped of the WBC Jr. WW belt rather than fight Tszyu? Is it Tszyu's fault that Mosely never risked his superstar status on a fight with Tszyu? Is it Tszyu's fault that Floyd skipped out on a fight with Tszyu? No, indeed it is not. Those fights didn't happen for a reason. Give all the excuses you want. The reason is that Tszyu was too formidable to risk superstar status on. So you can take your "superfights" and stick them up your ass.


edit: and if you want to go into the Floyd dodged Tszyu thing again, then please google "Mayweather and the 5 Bums" for my concise and detailed explanation.

Same old ****. De La Hoya gave up his belt to move up and fight Pernell Whitaker for a belt at 147. Whitaker was a far better fighter and bigger name than Tszyu ever was. Stop letting your hate cloud your judgement.

What do Hugo Pineda, Diobelys Hurtando and Jake Rodriguez have in common? None of them ever won a fight worth mentioning.

[Wiley Hyena]

Same old ****. De La Hoya gave up his belt to move up and fight Pernell Whitaker for a belt at 147. Whitaker was a far better fighter and bigger name than Tszyu ever was. Stop letting your hate cloud your judgement.

What do Hugo Pineda, Diobelys Hurtando and Jake Rodriguez have in common? None of them ever won a fight worth mentioning.

Stop letting your hate cloud your judgment. With that post, I don't see any judgment at all. Just ****.

P.S. Whitaker was an old man.

[Fox McCloud]

Same old ****. De La Hoya gave up his belt to move up and fight Pernell Whitaker for a belt at 147. Whitaker was a far better fighter and bigger name than Tszyu ever was. Stop letting your hate cloud your judgement.

What do Hugo Pineda, Diobelys Hurtando and Jake Rodriguez have in common? None of them ever won a fight worth mentioning.

I don't even know who Jake Rodriguez is...

I think I may have heard of Hugo Pineda once, but I can't remember for sure.

Diobelys Hurtado is only known to me because he got KTFO by Whitaker, and he had a Boxing After Dark match against Randall Bailey that is advertised on my copy of Mayweather-Castillo I.

Wiley, aren't you the one who said that Diego Corrales was not elite at 130? If so, you need to get a consistent definition of elite.

[ThaHorseman]

Stop letting your hate cloud your judgment. With that post, I don't see any judgment at all. Just ****.

P.S. Whitaker was an old man.

I believe Whitaker was 33. Kostya Tszyu was 36 when he fought Hatton, yet you refuse to admit he was old. Why the double standard?

[eazy_mas]

I picked Mayweather because he is different breed of fighter and that goes for Kostya Tzyu too.

you forgot Pernell Whitaker

[Wiley Hyena]

I believe Whitaker was 33. Kostya Tszyu was 36 when he fought Hatton, yet you refuse to admit he was old. Why the double standard?

Whitaker in his prime would have caused Oscar to lose his jockstrap in the middle of the ring. Whitaker was on the slide. I was there.

I think maybe your problem is that your either new to boxing or young if you cannot remember who Miguel Angel Gonzales or Hector Lopez were.

And, I never said Corralis was not elite. You have mistaken me for somebody else.

edit: no double standard here. Whitaker was noticably degraded by the time he fought Oscar. Are you foolish enough to think Oscar would have taken on a prime Whitaker? Too dangerous. Tszyu on the other hand was 36, but he was top ten p4p and was just 6 months out from his 3 round destruction of Mitchell [II] when he fought Hatton. No double standard if you are looking at the fighters, and not just their ages.

[Fox McCloud]

Whitaker in his prime would have caused Oscar to lose his jockstrap in the middle of the ring. Whitaker was on the slide. I was there.

I think maybe your problem is that your either new to boxing or young if you cannot remember who Miguel Angel Gonzales or Hector Lopez were.

And, I never said Corralis was not elite. You have mistaken me for somebody else.

My apologies then... someone did go life and death to defend that Corrales was not elite at 130. Obviously it was someone else.

Sorry for indicting you when you weren't guilty of the crime.

[joepal]

I picked Mayweather

I stopped at there, didnt bother to read the rest of the bolchit.

[ThaHorseman]

Whitaker in his prime would have caused Oscar to lose his jockstrap in the middle of the ring. Whitaker was on the slide. I was there.

I think maybe your problem is that your either new to boxing or young if you cannot remember who Miguel Angel Gonzales or Hector Lopez were.

And, I never said Corralis was not elite. You have mistaken me for somebody else.

edit: no double standard here. Whitaker was noticably degraded by the time he fought Oscar. Are you foolish enough to think Oscar would have taken on a prime Whitaker? Too dangerous. Tszyu on the other hand was 36, but he was top ten p4p and was just 6 months out from his 3 round destruction of Mitchell [II] when he fought Hatton. No double standard if you are looking at the fighters, and not just their ages.

I think your problem may by that you set up double standards and can't take when people bring them to light.

I didn't say a word about Hector Lopez or Miguel Angel Gonzales. I pointed out that your assessment of Pineda, Hurtado and Rodriguez as "elite" fighters was WAY off. You just can't seem to accept that Tszyu beat a handful of good fighters and zero great fighters.

Also, please explain how Whitaker was on a slide after not losing a fight in 9 years, but you use that as an argument for why Tszyu was still elite?