Tougher Fight: Tszyu @ 140... or Delahoya @ 154?

[ThaHorseman]

IT shows one thing for sure....that Hatton is no push over....ok? That's what it most definitely shows.

Who mentioned Hatton? While I agree with you that Hatton is a hell of a boxer, the person in question is Tszyu and his inability to make it through a tough fight.

[joepal]

No, it means you're not showing the heart to be a champion. Freitas was beating Corrales and quit while in a tough fight. Was he out of his prime? NO. Was he ever considered a top-level fighter again? NO. Kostya wasn't great anymore.

Not necessarily. If a prime Tito quits on his stool against a prime RJJ does that automatically make Tito less-than-great anymore, and take way all his past accomplishments?

Also, we should make a distinction between the KT who has just beaten all these contenders and the KT who went through hell with Hatton. You cannot with good conscience say that Hatton had nothing to do with the "un-priming" of KT, if ever there was.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Well Tszyu knocked out a prime Judah in the second round for one. Oscar had one fight in the last 3 years so who cares who he lost to.

Don't compare Tszyu resume to Oscar's.. he loses that.. BY A LANDSLIDE.. Allow me to show you...

DE LA HOYA..
Paes.. Molina.. G. Hernandez.. Whitaker.. Camacho.. Quartey (Gave him his first loss).. Gatti (KO 2).. Castillejo.. Vargas.. Campas.. Mayorga.

TSZYU..
A. Hernandez.. R. Mayweather (12th Loss for Roger).. Pineda.. Mitchell (Twice.. TKO 7 then TKO).. Zab Judah (TKO 2).

COMMON OPPONENTS..
Rafael Ruelas.. TKO 2 For De La Hoya, before Kostya TKO 9.
Jesse James Leija.. TKO 2 For De La Hoya, TKO 6 For Tszyu, AFTER Oscar.
Julio Cesar Chavez.. TKO 4, TKO 8, TKO 6 For Tszyu, AFTER Oscar.
Miguel Angel Gonzales.. TKO For Kostya, Oscar UD, Oscar beat him first, still.

Oscar has the better resume, in more weights, for more titles, and anything Kostya and Oscar did, Oscar USUALLY did it first, and better.

As to who the lost to.. Oscar lost to 4 elite fighters, in Mosley (twice), Trinidad, Hopkins, Mayweather, and was onyl stopped once. Against a bigger guy. He also stayed competitive in ALL his losing efforts, even when he was knocked out.

Kostya lost to Ricky Hatton and Vince Phillips, one being.. essentially a contender, at his truest form, and Hatton, who is a good champion and fighter. Both times, he was stopped.

DE LA HOYA > TSZYU, All day, every day.

[ThaHorseman]

Not necessarily. If a prime Tito quits on his stool against a prime RJJ does that automatically make Tito less-than-great anymore, and take way all his past accomplishments?

Also, we should make a distinction between the KT who has just beaten all these contenders and the KT who went through hell with Hatton. You cannot with good conscience say that Hatton had nothing to do with the "un-priming" of KT, if ever there was.

Fighters don't quit on their stool. No matter what. It doesn't take away past accomplishments, but it shows that you don't have it in you anymore to fight. Has Kostya fought since? The long layoff and surgeries, combined with being 36 had more to do with his "un-priming" than Hatton. One night doesn't put you out of your prime. Hatton was great that night, Tszyu was not. That is the whole damn point. TSZYU WAS NOT GREAT AT 36.

[joepal]

Don't compare Tszyu resume to Oscar's.. he loses that.. BY A LANDSLIDE.. Allow me to show you...

DE LA HOYA..
Paes.. Molina.. G. Hernandez.. Whitaker.. Camacho.. Quartey (Gave him his first loss).. Gatti (KO 2).. Castillejo.. Vargas.. Campas.. Mayorga.

TSZYU..
A. Hernandez.. R. Mayweather (12th Loss for Roger).. Pineda.. Mitchell (Twice.. TKO 7 then TKO).. Zab Judah (TKO 2).

COMMON OPPONENTS..
Rafael Ruelas.. TKO 2 For De La Hoya, before Kostya TKO 9.
Jesse James Leija.. TKO 2 For De La Hoya, TKO 6 For Tszyu, AFTER Oscar.
Julio Cesar Chavez.. TKO 4, TKO 8, TKO 6 For Tszyu, AFTER Oscar.
Miguel Angel Gonzales.. TKO For Kostya, Oscar UD, Oscar beat him first, still.

Oscar has the better resume, in more weights, for more titles, and anything Kostya and Oscar did, Oscar USUALLY did it first, and better.

As to who the lost to.. Oscar lost to 4 elite fighters, in Mosley (twice), Trinidad, Hopkins, Mayweather, and was onyl stopped once. Against a bigger guy. He also stayed competitive in ALL his losing efforts, even when he was knocked out.

Kostya lost to Ricky Hatton and Vince Phillips, one being.. essentially a contender, at his truest form, and Hatton, who is a good champion and fighter. Both times, he was stopped.

DE LA HOYA > TSZYU, All day, every day.

How does quoting their resumes answer the question of what was the better achievement between the Hatton KO Tszyu or the Floyd UD Oscar?

Then you say you are an unbiased poster.

[Wiley Hyena]

Don't compare Tszyu resume to Oscar's.. he loses that.. BY A LANDSLIDE.. Allow me to show you...

DE LA HOYA..
Paes.. Molina.. G. Hernandez.. Whitaker.. Camacho.. Quartey (Gave him his first loss).. Gatti (KO 2).. Castillejo.. Vargas.. Campas.. Mayorga.

TSZYU..
A. Hernandez.. R. Mayweather (12th Loss for Roger).. Pineda.. Mitchell (Twice.. TKO 7 then TKO).. Zab Judah (TKO 2).

COMMON OPPONENTS..
Rafael Ruelas.. TKO 2 For De La Hoya, before Kostya TKO 9.
Jesse James Leija.. TKO 2 For De La Hoya, TKO 6 For Tszyu, AFTER Oscar.
Julio Cesar Chavez.. TKO 4, TKO 8, TKO 6 For Tszyu, AFTER Oscar.
Miguel Angel Gonzales.. TKO For Kostya, Oscar UD, Oscar beat him first, still.

Oscar has the better resume, in more weights, for more titles, and anything Kostya and Oscar did, Oscar USUALLY did it first, and better.

As to who the lost to.. Oscar lost to 4 elite fighters, in Mosley (twice), Trinidad, Hopkins, Mayweather, and was onyl stopped once. Against a bigger guy. He also stayed competitive in ALL his losing efforts, even when he was knocked out.

Kostya lost to Ricky Hatton and Vince Phillips, one being.. essentially a contender, at his truest form, and Hatton, who is a good champion and fighter. Both times, he was stopped.

DE LA HOYA > TSZYU, All day, every day.

Bull**** post. Is that why Oscar let himself be stripped of his JR. WW belt instead of fighting Tszyu? Tszyu got Oscar's belt without even having to fight for it.

And, if you want to look at common opponents between Oscar and Tszyu, look no farther than Miguel Angel Gonzales. Please do take a look at that. It is very revealing. Tszyu took Gonzales apart...TKO 10th round. Oscar won a comeback UD. Two clips of these fights have been posted. You will clearly see the power difference between Tszyu and Oscar.

[THe TRiNiTY]

How does quoting their resumes answer the question of what was the better achievement between the Hatton KO Tszyu or the Floyd UD Oscar?

Then you say you are an unbiased poster.

I'm a VERY unbiased poster. This ALSO isn't about Hatton or Mayweather. It's about a fictional fighter. Who fights at 140... Who would he rather be proud of beating. I said a 34 year old 154 pound Oscar De La Hoya, compared to a slightly faded 36 year old 140 pound Kostya Tszyu.. It's pretty simple I thought. As to how what I post matters. It lets you know the fighters you're choosing between.

[Wiley Hyena]

Fighters don't quit on their stool. No matter what. It doesn't take away past accomplishments, but it shows that you don't have it in you anymore to fight. Has Kostya fought since? The long layoff and surgeries, combined with being 36 had more to do with his "un-priming" than Hatton. One night doesn't put you out of your prime. Hatton was great that night, Tszyu was not. That is the whole damn point. TSZYU WAS NOT GREAT AT 36.

The point is that Tszyu was more formidable than Oscar at that time. That's the point. Tszyu had just come off an unbelievable destruction of Mitchell. Oscar didn't come off ****.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Bull**** post. Is that why Oscar let himself be stripped of his JR. WW belt instead of fighting Tszyu? Tszyu got Oscar's belt without even having to fight for it.

And, if you want to look at common opponents between Oscar and Tszyu, look no farther than Miguel Angel Gonzales. Please do take a look at that. It is very revealing. Tszyu took Gonzales apart...TKO 10th round. Oscar won a comeback UD. Two clips of these fights have been posted. You will clearly see the power difference between Tszyu and Oscar.

how is it a bull**** post? And why would you ONLY look at one fight that they share the same opponent in? Because that's the ONE fight Kostya is shown favorably, compared to De La Hoya?

Answer those two questions, before you call my posts bull****. Kay? Thanks..

[ThaHorseman]

Bull**** post. Is that why Oscar let himself be stripped of his JR. WW belt instead of fighting Tszyu? Tszyu got Oscar's belt without even having to fight for it.

And, if you want to look at common opponents between Oscar and Tszyu, look no farther than Miguel Angel Gonzales. Please do take a look at that. It is very revealing. Tszyu took Gonzales apart...TKO 10th round. Oscar won a comeback UD. Two clips of these fights have been posted. You will clearly see the power difference between Tszyu and Oscar.

I'll ask you in this thread too, so I know you don't miss it.

Didn't he "let himself be stripped" to move up and fight Pernell Whitaker for the WW title? The same Pernell Whitaker who is considered by many to be among the top fighters in the past 20 years?