Kostya Tszyu vs Floyd Mayweather at 140

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

By the way, not sure what you're getting at. I look forward to it though. I'm sure you got some smart-assed response.

Teca,

Why so damn defensive? Would you guys get the panties out of your ass and just chill??

I am saying that you must rate Pea highly because you considered JCC as prime for Randall, Thus, JCC must have been fresh for Pea,

The people who belittle Pea often say that Julio was past his best days.

[Azteca]

Prime Chavez?! No way, man...Chavez was probebly best at lightweight, which was years before the Randall fight. and Chavez had tons and tons of fights, he did not have an easy career. not to mention he did nothing in training BUT spar. he used to spar 10 rounds a day I believe, 6 days a week. if that doesnt wear you down over your career, nothing will. when you go through that kind of punishment throughout a career, you can age overnight. just look at Morales...hes not that old in years, but he aged so fast after the 3rd Barrera fight and 1st Pacquiao fight...

not to mention that the Randall that Chavez fought was a pretty outstanding fighter. He went downhill badly in his career, but shortly after the Chavez fight he went on to beat a GREAT fighter in Coggi winning 2-1 in a trilogy, and from what Ive heard, the Randall-Coggi fight was a full out brawl.

To beat a prime Chavez, you need to be extremely active. Kostya was great with timing his punches, but Chavez could take shots unbelievably. Youre not going to change a fight with a few big punches against Chavez. Kostya also did not use a lot of movement, and if you just stand there, sooner or later Chavez will wear you down.
Not a high volume puncer+not incredibly fast+not a ton of ring movement vs Chavez=a Chavez win, imo.

Chavez was undefeated when he fought Randall (other then the obvious Whitaker loss but that is a different story). Not much evidence of him being 'out of prime'. Out of his weight class? yeah, maybe. But he was really only 10 pounds north of the division he won his first title in.

Randall was good. I got lots of respect for him. He was what more fighters today should strive to be. Who cares about the many losses...focus on this man's wins. He was fcking good.

But Randall is by no means accomplish wise and skill wise on Tszyu's level. Tszyu would of battered him. And the same with Chavez. You say to beat a prime Chavez you have to be extremely active. The only evidence of this is Meldrick Taylor. Randall wasn't swarming him and throwing tons of shots. He was settling in range and picking and choosing when to fight.

The same with Whitaker. He beat up Whitaker by being patient and economical. You get active against Chavez and he'll eat you up with subtle body shots to the gut and the kidney. And for some reason he had a habit of turning it up in the championship rounds.

Body shots, friend, body shots. That's why he was able to do that.

But in a 12 round fight. I'm forced to pick Tszyu.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Chavez was undefeated when he fought Randall (other then the obvious Whitaker loss but that is a different story). Not much evidence of him being 'out of prime'. Out of his weight class? yeah, maybe. But he was really only 10 pounds north of the division he won his first title in.

Randall was good. I got lots of respect for him. He was what more fighters today should strive to be. Who cares about the many losses...focus on this man's wins. He was fcking good.

But Randall is by no means accomplish wise and skill wise on Tszyu's level. Tszyu would of battered him. And the same with Chavez. You say to beat a prime Chavez you have to be extremely active. The only evidence of this is Meldrick Taylor. Randall wasn't swarming him and throwing tons of shots. He was settling in range and picking and choosing when to fight.

The same with Whitaker. He beat up Whitaker by being patient and economical. You get active against Chavez and he'll eat you up with subtle body shots to the gut and the kidney. And for some reason he had a habit of turning it up in the championship rounds.

Body shots, friend, body shots. That's why he was able to do that.

But in a 12 round fight. I'm forced to pick Tszyu.

So by that logic, you think the Chavez that fought Taylor, was the Chavez that Randall fought?

[Azteca]

So by that logic, you think the Chavez that fought Taylor, was the Chavez that Randall fought?

make an argument to my post, or SHUT UP.

[THe TRiNiTY]

make an argument to my post, or SHUT UP.

I asked a question, that if answered, would have lead into an argument. I understand your hesitance to answer. No big deal.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

make an argument to my post, or SHUT UP.

Teca. Seriously. Get off this board and go get some *****. You are backed up and very tense.

If there's a workplace shooting tomorrow, I know who it is.

[RodBarker]

Frankie Randall beat prime Chavez, but Tszyu can't?

You forgot about that fight didn't you.

Typical from know-nothings like yourself.

Chavez was undefeated when he fought Randall (other then the obvious Whitaker loss but that is a different story). Not much evidence of him being 'out of prime'. Out of his weight class? yeah, maybe. But he was really only 10 pounds north of the division he won his first title in.

Randall was good. I got lots of respect for him. He was what more fighters today should strive to be. Who cares about the many losses...focus on this man's wins. He was fcking good.

But Randall is by no means accomplish wise and skill wise on Tszyu's level. Tszyu would of battered him. And the same with Chavez. You say to beat a prime Chavez you have to be extremely active. The only evidence of this is Meldrick Taylor. Randall wasn't swarming him and throwing tons of shots. He was settling in range and picking and choosing when to fight.

The same with Whitaker. He beat up Whitaker by being patient and economical. You get active against Chavez and he'll eat you up with subtle body shots to the gut and the kidney. And for some reason he had a habit of turning it up in the championship rounds.

Body shots, friend, body shots. That's why he was able to do that.

But in a 12 round fight. I'm forced to pick Tszyu.

I think Kostya would have beaten Chavez because he suited style wise but Chavez is a champion and Kostya had gotten beaten by much less than Chavez so could go either way ,,, but by the same token Randell at the time he got a win over Chavez would beat Vince Phillips ,,,, this thread is another merry go round the fantasy bush ,,,, and when Floyd beats a better version of Hatton who owned Kostya you wont see this crap going around no more .

[Azteca]

I asked a question, that if answered, would have lead into an argument. I understand your hesitance to answer. No big deal.

I dont even know what "logic" you are reffering to. Care to explain, dip?

[Azteca]

Teca. Seriously. Get off this board and go get some *****. You are backed up and very tense.

If there's a workplace shooting tomorrow, I know who it is.

backed up?????

[THe TRiNiTY]

I dont even know what "logic" you are reffering to. Care to explain, dip?

You said that Chavez was beaten by fighters that were more paced. Not acombination fighter like Taylor. When, in fact, he was LEAVING his peak agianst Sweet Pea, though still close enough of his prime to give a legit win to Whitaker, in my opinion, and he was nowhere near his peak against Randall.

So I'm asking, do you think that the Chavez that fought Frankie Randall, would have even knocked Meldrick Taylor down? Furthermore, do you think that if the Chavez that fought Randall, fought Taylor, do you think Chavez would have stil done to Taylor, what he wound up doing?