Mayweather and the 5 Bums

[Wiley Hyena]

what the **** did u contribute that is so good huh ***** when all u can do is type a ****ing 2 line post? all u do is butt in to threads and ****ing yap about ****ty stuff. ur a ****ing ***** and i dont give a **** about u.

Agreed..................

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Agreed..................

that guy is ****ing ****** huh. u took ur time giving a great thread for people to read. then suddenly he ****ing comes in to ur thread saying "u suck, u are ******." what the **** is that? then suddenly he will tell me that i should ****ing contribute! about what? about how he said "u suck bro mayweather is good, yeah" ****ing ridiculous.

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After seeing the incredible allegations of a few Mayweatherites here alleging that the great Jr. Welter Weight Champ Kostya Tszyu ran from Floyd Mayweather, Jr., I was inspired to set the record straight. My findings:

After a truly impressive campaign at 130, Floyd moved to 135 in 2002. The problem began here and it's name was Jose Luis Castillo. After losing to Castillo on everybody's card but the judges' in the first fight, Mayweather used his defensive skills to salvage his reputation in the rematch. After that scare, Mayweather then proceeded to call on the hapless Lovemore N'dou. N'dou unexpectedly proved a stiff test, but Floyd passed it. Bum number one was conquered. Who would the self proclaimed greatest fight next? We were immediately deflated. Sosa was served up like a cold fish on April 19, 2003.

Fully in stride now, Mayweather moved up to Jr. Welter (140), where hall of famer Kostya Tszyu reigned supreme. Instead of calling on Tszyu, Floyd proceeded to feed on a steady diet of bums. On May 22, 2004, it was Demarcus Corley. On January 22, 2005, it was Henry Bruseles. And, on June 25, 2005, Floyd dismantled the last of the 5 bums, the washed up warrior, Arturo Gatti. 5 bums and no Tszyu.

Tszyu fought in 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005. He was top ten p4p in all those years. He began that period of time as the Jr. Welter Weight unified undisputed champion (the first to do it in 30 years). During the mid portion of that period he held two titles, and finally lost the IBF title to Ricky Hatton in June 2005. He retired after that fight at age 36. During this period, there were no serious inquiries from the Floyd camp about a fight against Tszyu. Cheap talk, no walk.

After initially posting my opinion that it was Floyd that ran, not Tszyu, I became the subject of a veritable deluge of outrage, criticism, and lewd (but somewhat entertaining) invective by certain Mayweatherites on this site. I want to thank each and every foul mouthed one of you. You inspired me to PROVE my opinion with evidence, evidence of which you said was non-existent. Mr. Dios Dominicano and his gang maintain that Tszyu never, I repeat NEVER, made one single statement indicating his desire to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. and thus somehow "ran" from Floyd.

Exhibit #1: KOSTYA TSZYU DENIES DEAL TO FIGHT HATTON

According to a recent report by GRANTLEE KIEZA, Kostya Tszyu has again confirmed there is no deal to fight hard-hitting Englishman Ricky Hatton for $5million. Two weeks ago Tszyu told The Daily Telegraph exclusively that he wasn't fighting Hatton on March 5 in Manchester as the British press had announced and was forced to repeat his position yesterday after reports out of England saying a deal had been made.

Before heading off to his native Russia to collect a major award from President Vladimir *****, Tszyu said yesterday: "I am not fighting Ricky Hatton in Manchester anytime soon.

"I can't believe Hatton's promoter [Frank Warren] is still saying I am fighting him because there has been no deal made.

"Right now I am having a holiday for a few weeks and just enjoying time with my wife and kids. When it is time to fight again we will see who is on offer. But I promised my family I would not be training over Christmas so I will certainly not be fighting again by March."

When told that Warren said he had a verbal agreement with Tszyu's American-based promoter Vlad Warton, Tszyu smiled and said: "I decide who I fight, no one else."

Tszyu said he was far more interested in an offer of $10.5 million from American promoter Murad Muhammad to fight WBC champion Arturo Gatti and former world junior-lightweight and lightweight champion Floyd Mayweather.

"I want to fight them both," Tszyu said. "They mean a lot more on the world scene than Ricky Hatton."

12-14-2004


Exhibit #2: KOSTYA TSZYU INTERVIEW

Scoop: Comment on fighting Floyd Mayweather...

Kostya Tszyu: "It would be a great fight. I fought his uncle (Roger-W 12 in '95 in Newcastle, Australia) who's training him now. It would be good to fight him too. I remember after Olympic Games ('96) we were in same room as Bob Arum, he just started his career. I already was world champion. It would be a good, good matchup. If the short time will be able to produce this match, it will be a great fight."

October 25, 2004


ARGUMENT:
Just as I always said, Tszyu was always open to any top contender at 140, ESPECIALLY Floyd. Floyd simply did not want any piece of Tszyu. Who knows, maybe uncle Roger didn't like the idea?

You will note that Tszyu destroyed Sharmba Mitchell (4 knockdowns and KO in the 3rd) on November 6, 2004. Tszyu remained unsigned and available to take a fight with Floyd for roughly two months after that fight. Mayweather didn't sign to fight Gatti until after January 30, 2005.

Unfortunately for boxing, DURING THIS TIME PERIOD Floyd never muttered a word. Instead of going after one of the greatest 140 champions of modern times, Floyd signed to fight the fifth installment in our gallery of bums, Arturo Gatti. There was no mention of Tszyu. There were no inquiries about getting the fight. There was nothing but a resounding wall of silence. Result? Tszyu signed to fight Ricky Hatton, and the rest is history.

This is evidence. Floyd can talk it up all he wants AFTER the fact. It doesn't matter. The self proclaimed "greatest of all time" skipped out on a real fight of historical proportions against the man.

I present to you, "The Theory of the 5 Bums."

The thread was still here, so I had to intervene.

1) as usual you dont provide links, however I am benevolent and will assum you provide real quotes from Zoo and not your dream

2) most of what you type is yur opinion

3) some of what you type is lies. you have been made ridiculous already enough times and you still talk about Sosa, Ndou, Corley as alternatives to Zoo. Zoo was OUT. KAPUT. INJURED. from January 2003 to November 2004. Does this enter your undersized brain or not? why do you always forge getting owned on this point?

4) some of what you type is irrelevant. you propose us Zoo saying that he would not fight Hatton as evidence. Doesnt the fact that Zoo actually fought Hatton made you think that he was just raising his price by naming other options? No?

I am not surprised... you have already shown that you are as bright as a black hole.

5) You say that during those two months Mayweather was not talking about Zoo. Maybe. Did he talk about anything at all? No? ... hmm I wonder why... maybe cos he was going in and out of court, while being in training camp?

5) Some of what you say is contradictory. You say there is only cheap talk, but Zoo says he has an offer on the table to fight Mayweather?

who is bull****ting, you or Zoo?

6) Finally, if Mayweather mentions Zoo he is just cheap talking, whereas if Zoo mentions Mayweather while deep in negotiations for another fight, he is "ready to take on all comers"? Can you explain to us the logic behind it?

We are all curious to see if there is anything beyond your being biased and slow as a clock in a Dalì painting.

[Addison]

Well, Vince Phillips TKOed Kosta and Mayweather is light years ahead of him. Styles make fights notwithstanding, obviously Mayweather would have an even better and more realistic chance of TKOing Tszyu even quicker.

That's not exactly how it works..

[Wiley Hyena]

The thread was still here, so I had to intervene.

1) as usual you dont provide links, however I am benevolent and will assum you provide real quotes from Zoo and not your dream

2) most of what you type is yur opinion

3) some of what you type is lies. you have been made ridiculous already enough times and you still talk about Sosa, Ndou, Corley as alternatives to Zoo. Zoo was OUT. KAPUT. INJURED. from January 2003 to November 2004. Does this enter your undersized brain or not? why do you always forge getting owned on this point?

4) some of what you type is irrelevant. you propose us Zoo saying that he would not fight Hatton as evidence. Doesnt the fact that Zoo actually fought Hatton made you think that he was just raising his price by naming other options? No?

I am not surprised... you have already shown that you are as bright as a black hole.

5) You say that during those two months Mayweather was not talking about Zoo. Maybe. Did he talk about anything at all? No? ... hmm I wonder why... maybe cos he was going in and out of court, while being in training camp?

5) Some of what you say is contradictory. You say there is only cheap talk, but Zoo says he has an offer on the table to fight Mayweather?

who is bull****ting, you or Zoo?

6) Finally, if Mayweather mentions Zoo he is just cheap talking, whereas if Zoo mentions Mayweather while deep in negotiations for another fight, he is "ready to take on all comers"? Can you explain to us the logic behind it?

We are all curious to see if there is anything beyond your being biased and slow as a clock in a Dalì painting.

I stand by my post. Floyd never muttered a word. The evidence is right there. You can bend it, you spin it, you can **** on it for all I care. But, you cannot change it. You cannot change the facts.

Get over it wmute. You've been owned and you are a bad sport. It's as simple as that.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

6) Finally, if Mayweather mentions Zoo he is just cheap talking, whereas if Zoo mentions Mayweather while deep in negotiations for another fight, he is "ready to take on all comers"? Can you explain to us the logic behind it?

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Mayweather called out Tszyu repeatedly.

Have you noticed that despite weeks of typing, Hyena has been unable to provide you with a single link??

Not a single link or credible quote.

[Wiley Hyena]

Vince Philips wasn't all that much of a pressure fighter as it wasn't his trademark like say, Hatton or Cotto. There's no excuses as to why Tszyu lost to a lesser opponent, obviously he just had flaws, flaws that would have been exposed by Mayweather as well.


Mayweather is not flashy and he's nothing like Zab Judah, style wise.


I wouldn't since Floyd measures and calculates his punches, not to mention his defense is impeccable. Kosta's legendary straight right would have a hard time finding its mark, and even if it did, Floyd has shown that he has a great chin.



So he gets beaten by Phillips, but you don't believe Floyd would have beaten him? Bias?


Yea, like he did to a lesser fighter in Phillips.


This has already been proven false by direct quotation and chronology, but you can still run with this if it makes you feel better..

I'm not sure your biased illogic makes sense. But, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Tszyu destroyed Judah...KO in 2.
Floyd gets by Judah...12 r. UD

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I stand by my post. Floyd never muttered a word. The evidence is right there. You can bend it, you spin it, you can **** on it for all I care. But, you cannot change it. You cannot change the facts.

Get over it wmute. You've been owned and you are a bad sport. It's as simple as that.

As it is always case with you, I dismantle your argument bit by bit. And you repeat by telling me I was owned, because you aint got ****.

so... who's lying:

you now? or Zoo in 2004/5?

[Wiley Hyena]

Mayweather called out Tszyu repeatedly.

Have you noticed that despite weeks of typing, Hyena has been unable to provide you with a single link??

Not a single link or credible quote.

links edited in...... lol.....petty little twit

[Wiley Hyena]

As it is always case with you, I dismantle your argument bit by bit. And you repeat by telling me I was owned, because you aint got ****.

so... who's lying:

you now? or Zoo in 2004/5?

Who's "lying"? You now, or Mayweather in 2005?

lol.......you're a bad sport, son.