Mayweather and the 5 Bums

[Easton Assassin]

An extremely hairy and obese old man with no life or useful insight on anything concerning boxing.. It is very clear what it is we all are dealing with here.. That must be good ole Wiley on the right, lol..

U know isis, i know i owned your ass the last time we got into it. I know you fear my intellectual superiority, but you know what?


Show some balls boy. It's said that you are reduced to being dios's little cheerleader.

Wassa matter? You get neutered? You lose all your spine? get beat down by a ***** you tried to hit on with that black Egyptian bull**** o yours?

[sonofisis]

@ Wiley.. I'm not here to flex any particular skills that I may have innately acquired from birth, but only to demonstrate that you're a fool for the most part and really need to come back down to earth..



A brief and simple analysis of what I've been able to thus far observe and infer from this exchange, including the claims made and the implications..


* You initiated a debate by suggesting that somehow Floyd Mayweather jr. dodged Kosta Tszyu. To support this assertion, you present evidence in the form of chronology and loose connections, suggesting that Floyd had ample time to address Tszyu, but chose to not do so and instead chase a lesser opponent in Gatti

* Problems with this theory can be summed as such
Since the burden of proof is on the person making the claim, sufficient evidence to substantiate it was requested from you. Forms of evidence to expect would be direct quotations, articles, or commentary/expert opinion of someone who has at least noticed the same thing.

Indirect evidence may consist of Floyd never calling out Tszyu, thus, him obviously not wanting to fight him

No such evidence was ever provided

* On the opposing side, evidence was presented to refute your position, since it is your claim that is under scrutiny which needs to be verified, but at the end of the day, since it is your claim, all one needs to do is pick holes in your argument


* Firstly, you began this campaign by stating that Mayweather moved up from light weight, claiming to have been the greatest WW of all time, even though at that time he'd never stepped foot in welter weight sneakers. This inconsistency shows from the start that your case was flimsy and scatter-brained

* Next, you claimed that Floyd never called out Tszyu, yet you've demonstrated nothing indicating that Tszyu called out Mayweather and that Mayweather turned him down, which would officially be considered 'ducking" by many people.

* Finally, in addition, you have been showed definitive proof that Mayweather indeed called out Tszyu only after his first fight at JWW. Therefore, the meat of your argument has been effectively destroyed.. The fact that it was in January 2005 does nothing whatsoever to support your claim that he never called out Tszyu, and it definitely refutes your position that he was consciously ducking him. Not to mention that there is no evidence that the Hatton/Tszyu bout was scheduled at that time and it most likely wasn't. In order to make sense, you'd have to "move the goal post" and change your premise to Floyd only ducked Tszyu in 2004. Which is a desperate argument that I believe rightfully wouldn't and shouldn't be entertained by anyone. You lost Wiley, I promise you that..



Summary:
You made a claim, provided no evidence for it, evidence was provided against it, and now you resort to whining about people being mean to you after you've been constantly spreading these lies and defaming pro athletes. Your time is up Wiley..

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

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Summary:
You made a claim, provided no evidence for it, evidence was provided against it, and now you resort to whining about people being mean to you after you've been constantly spreading these lies and defaming pro athletes. Your time is up Wiley..

Dude,

They're some fat, old, white guys. You are spinning your wheels. They won't get it.


I'm keeping it moving...

[joepal]

After seeing the incredible allegations of a few Mayweatherites here alleging that the great Jr. Welter Weight Champ Kostya Tszyu ran from Floyd Mayweather, Jr., I was inspired to set the record straight. My findings:

After a truly impressive campaign at 130, Floyd moved to 135 in 2002. The problem began here and it's name was Jose Luis Castillo. After losing to Castillo on everybody's card but the judges' in the first fight, Mayweather used his defensive skills to salvage his reputation in the rematch. After that scare, Mayweather then proceeded to call on the hapless Lovemore N'dou. N'dou unexpectedly proved a stiff test, but Floyd passed it. Bum number one was conquered. Who would the self proclaimed greatest fight next? We were immediately deflated. Sosa was served up like a cold fish on April 19, 2003.

Fully in stride now, Mayweather moved up to Jr. Welter (140), where hall of famer Kostya Tszyu reigned supreme. Instead of calling on Tszyu, Floyd proceeded to feed on a steady diet of bums. On May 22, 2004, it was Demarcus Corley. On January 22, 2005, it was Henry Bruseles. And, on June 25, 2005, Floyd dismantled the last of the 5 bums, the washed up warrior, Arturo Gatti. 5 bums and no Tszyu.

Tszyu fought in 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005. He was top ten p4p in all those years. He began that period of time as the Jr. Welter Weight unified undisputed champion (the first to do it in 30 years). During the mid portion of that period he held two titles, and finally lost the IBF title to Ricky Hatton in June 2005. He retired after that fight at age 36. During this period, there were no serious inquiries from the Floyd camp about a fight against Tszyu. Cheap talk, no walk.

After initially posting my opinion that it was Floyd that ran, not Tszyu, I became the subject of a veritable deluge of outrage, criticism, and lewd (but somewhat entertaining) invective by certain Mayweatherites on this site. I want to thank each and every foul mouthed one of you. You inspired me to PROVE my opinion with evidence, evidence of which you said was non-existent. Mr. Dios Dominicano and his gang maintain that Tszyu never, I repeat NEVER, made one single statement indicating his desire to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. and thus somehow "ran" from Floyd.

Exhibit #1: KOSTYA TSZYU DENIES DEAL TO FIGHT HATTON

According to a recent report by GRANTLEE KIEZA, Kostya Tszyu has again confirmed there is no deal to fight hard-hitting Englishman Ricky Hatton for $5million. Two weeks ago Tszyu told The Daily Telegraph exclusively that he wasn't fighting Hatton on March 5 in Manchester as the British press had announced and was forced to repeat his position yesterday after reports out of England saying a deal had been made.

Before heading off to his native Russia to collect a major award from President Vladimir *****, Tszyu said yesterday: "I am not fighting Ricky Hatton in Manchester anytime soon.

"I can't believe Hatton's promoter [Frank Warren] is still saying I am fighting him because there has been no deal made.

"Right now I am having a holiday for a few weeks and just enjoying time with my wife and kids. When it is time to fight again we will see who is on offer. But I promised my family I would not be training over Christmas so I will certainly not be fighting again by March."

When told that Warren said he had a verbal agreement with Tszyu's American-based promoter Vlad Warton, Tszyu smiled and said: "I decide who I fight, no one else."

Tszyu said he was far more interested in an offer of $10.5 million from American promoter Murad Muhammad to fight WBC champion Arturo Gatti and former world junior-lightweight and lightweight champion Floyd Mayweather.

"I want to fight them both," Tszyu said. "They mean a lot more on the world scene than Ricky Hatton."

12-14-2004
kostya-tszyu-news.newslib.com/story/2381-1113289/

Exhibit #2: KOSTYA TSZYU INTERVIEW

Scoop: Comment on fighting Floyd Mayweather...

Kostya Tszyu: "It would be a great fight. I fought his uncle (Roger-W 12 in '95 in Newcastle, Australia) who's training him now. It would be good to fight him too. I remember after Olympic Games ('96) we were in same room as Bob Arum, he just started his career. I already was world champion. It would be a good, good matchup. If the short time will be able to produce this match, it will be a great fight."

October 25, 2004
www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=2064&more=1

ARGUMENT:
Just as I always said, Tszyu was always open to any top contender at 140, ESPECIALLY Floyd. Floyd simply did not want any piece of Tszyu. Who knows, maybe uncle Roger didn't like the idea?

You will note that Tszyu destroyed Sharmba Mitchell (4 knockdowns and KO in the 3rd) on November 6, 2004. Tszyu remained unsigned and available to take a fight with Floyd for roughly two months after that fight. Mayweather didn't sign to fight Gatti until after January 30, 2005.

Unfortunately for boxing, DURING THIS TIME PERIOD Floyd never muttered a word. Instead of going after one of the greatest 140 champions of modern times, Floyd signed to fight the fifth installment in our gallery of bums, Arturo Gatti. There was no mention of Tszyu. There were no inquiries about getting the fight. There was nothing but a resounding wall of silence. Result? Tszyu signed to fight Ricky Hatton, and the rest is history.

This is evidence. Floyd can talk it up all he wants AFTER the fact. It doesn't matter. The self proclaimed "greatest of all time" skipped out on a real fight of historical proportions against the man.

I present to you, "The Theory of the 5 Bums."

Great post! Very informative!

[joepal]

If u are serious abut what you've just said...Then I must call you ******. A 140 pounder doing something a 165 Pounder couldn't do.

WTF? Unbelievable!

[joepal]

Your opinion is among the most worthless on this site, not to mention among the most biased and irrational that I've ever seen in my life. You should be banned just to save us the trouble of your daily antics.

Oh the irony in this post.

[joepal]

So are we all in agreement that Floyd fans are worse than the Trinidad fans?

[joartccjr.]

fake floyd have a ****ty resumes

fake floyd have a ****ty resumes and his wins are running like a coward from a slower guys he sholud have beaten convincingly.Do you agree with me?

[BmoreBrawler]

Only on the "running from slower guys he shouldve beat convincingly" part if he TRULY is a ATG like he says and his nuthuggers think. However, it only applies to the De La Hoya fight(but boy does it apply).

[joepal]

fake floyd have a ****ty resumes and his wins are running like a coward from a slower guys he sholud have beaten convincingly.Do you agree with me?

Well I agree he has a so-so resume and he does run a lot. I also think he is the most overrated fighter in a hundred years. But he's not the worst there is, man maybe you're hating him a little too much.

Understand where you're coming from though. Floyd definitely can't compare with the Pacquiaos and the Vasquezes of the boxing world.