Corrales & Castillo A Class Or B Class

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yeah, jerry roth also saw tito beating DLH....

It's my life's dream to one day drop a deuce at the gravesite of Jerry Roth in retaliation for years of ****ed up judging and bull**** decisions. Duane Ford will get that honor as well.

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there has to be a different bracket for Corrales Castillo to other greats like Mosley ,Dela Hoya ,Trinidad ,Julio Cesar Chavez these fighters for me operated on that other level that you mentioned

Mosley, De La Hoya and Chavez are widely regarded as "all time greats" by various pundits and analysts in the sport. So I class them in the elite ranking as well.

But Trinidad? Corrales and Castillo both surpassed anything Tito ever accomplished before they slid into the B class level. Trinidad was probably the most overhyped fighter of his era and he failed to make the elite class every time he attempted to do so. He failed against Oscar, and quite badly at that. I realize the record book will always have a "W" for Tito in that fight but I know better.

I was there. I paid $50 to see it live. I'd been watching boxing for over 10 years at that point, and I know a bull**** decision when I see one. I paid th emoney to see the fight live and therefore I reserve any right to critique the outcome of the fight whenever I see fit.

Casting Oscar aside though, he still also failed against other elite class fighters by getting blown apart by Hopkins. Who may have been bigger than Tito at the time but was still a highly unlikely choice to win, and the betting underdog.

Then he got shut out completely by Winky Wright, failing to win even one round in the process.

My point: Corrales and Castillo accomplished more than Trinidad did and deserve to be ranked above him.

[Dynamite Kid]

Dela Hoya ,Hopkins ,RJJ ,Trinidad ,Mosley ,Barrera ,Pacquaio ,Morales ,Lewis ,Julio Cesar Chavez , Hagler ,leonard ,hearns ,Duran, these are all truly great fighters my criteria of an A Class fighter

i just dont see where Castillo & Corrales belong in this list

[Dynamite Kid]

Mosley, De La Hoya and Chavez are widely regarded as "all time greats" by various pundits and analysts in the sport. So I class them in the elite ranking as well.

But Trinidad? Corrales and Castillo both surpassed anything Tito ever accomplished before they slid into the B class level. Trinidad was probably the most overhyped fighter of his era and he failed to make the elite class every time he attempted to do so. He failed against Oscar, and quite badly at that. I realize the record book will always have a "W" for Tito in that fight but I know better.

I was there. I paid $50 to see it live. I'd been watching boxing for over 10 years at that point, and I know a bull**** decision when I see one. I paid th emoney to see the fight live and therefore I reserve any right to critique the outcome of the fight whenever I see fit.

Casting Oscar aside though, he still also failed against other elite class fighters by getting blown apart by Hopkins. Who may have been bigger than Tito at the time but was still a highly unlikely choice to win, and the betting underdog.

Then he got shut out completely by Winky Wright, failing to win even one round in the process.

My point: Corrales and Castillo accomplished more than Trinidad did and deserve to be ranked above him.

that is a very bold statement Bringer ill respect your opinion though its true Tito power carried him along way and he was made to look very ordinary against Winky ,Oscar ,b hop

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For discussion.....

My point: Corrales and Castillo accomplished more than Trinidad did and deserve to be ranked above him.

In 2002, the writers of Ring Magazine published a ranking of the 80 best fighters of the previous 80 years. The entirely subjective nature of any list comparing fighters across different weight categories and different eras is bound to be fodder for debate. This list was no exception. See what you think ...

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes
28. Mickey Walker
29. Ruben Olivares
30. Gene Tunney
31. **** Tiger
32. Fighting Harada
33. Emile Griffith
34. Tony Canzoneri
35. Aaron Pryor
36. Pascual Perez
37. Miguel Canto
38. Manuel Ortiz
39. Charley Burley
40. Carmen Basilio
41. Michael Spinks
42. Joe Frazier
43. Khaosai Galaxy
44. Roy Jones Jr.
45. Tiger Flowers
46. Panama Al Brown
47. Kid Chocolate
48. Joe Brown
49. Tommy Loughran
50. Bernard Hopkins
51. Felix Trinidad
52. Jake LaMotta
53. Lennox Lewis
54. Wilfredo Gomez
55. Bob Foster
56. Jose Napoles
57. Billy Conn
58. Jimmy McLarnin
59. Pancho Villa
60. Carlos Ortiz
61. Bob Montgomery
62. Freddie Miller
63. Benny Lynch
64. Beau Jack
65. Azumah Nelson
66. Eusebio Pedroza
67. Thomas Hearns
68. Wilfred Benitez
69. Antonio Cervantes
70. Ricardo Lopez
71. Sonny Liston
72. Mike Tyson
73. Vicente Saldivar
74. Gene Fullmer
75. Oscar De La Hoya
76. Carlos Zarate
77. Marcel Cerdan
78. Flash Elorde
79. Mike McCallum
80. Harold Johnson

Source: Ring Magazine (2002)

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In 2002, the writers of Ring Magazine published a ranking of the 80 best fighters of the previous 80 years. The entirely subjective nature of any list comparing fighters across different weight categories and different eras is bound to be fodder for debate. This list was no exception. See what you think ...

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes
28. Mickey Walker
29. Ruben Olivares
30. Gene Tunney
31. **** Tiger
32. Fighting Harada
33. Emile Griffith
34. Tony Canzoneri
35. Aaron Pryor
36. Pascual Perez
37. Miguel Canto
38. Manuel Ortiz
39. Charley Burley
40. Carmen Basilio
41. Michael Spinks
42. Joe Frazier
43. Khaosai Galaxy
44. Roy Jones Jr.
45. Tiger Flowers
46. Panama Al Brown
47. Kid Chocolate
48. Joe Brown
49. Tommy Loughran
50. Bernard Hopkins
51. Felix Trinidad
52. Jake LaMotta
53. Lennox Lewis
54. Wilfredo Gomez
55. Bob Foster
56. Jose Napoles
57. Billy Conn
58. Jimmy McLarnin
59. Pancho Villa
60. Carlos Ortiz
61. Bob Montgomery
62. Freddie Miller
63. Benny Lynch
64. Beau Jack
65. Azumah Nelson
66. Eusebio Pedroza
67. Thomas Hearns
68. Wilfred Benitez
69. Antonio Cervantes
70. Ricardo Lopez
71. Sonny Liston
72. Mike Tyson
73. Vicente Saldivar
74. Gene Fullmer
75. Oscar De La Hoya
76. Carlos Zarate
77. Marcel Cerdan
78. Flash Elorde
79. Mike McCallum
80. Harold Johnson

Source: Ring Magazine (2002)

I almost never agree with thr ranking and placement of fighters in "The Ring's top 100" lists. Trinidad above Hearns, Gomez, Lewis, LaMotta, Conn, Liston, Tyson, Fullmer and De La Hoya? That's some serious bias.

Wonder where they place him now that he's been exposed? Cotto reminds me of Tirnidad now, in terms of being completely overrated and getting such high praise for punching power. Though Trinidad gets the edge over Cotto in terms of power. Other than that, it's the same hype machine that built Tito up that's building Miguel up.

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who the **** is someone on boxingscene to say if there a class fighters
fight them and then ypull find out

in my opinion there wer A class fighters world champions are usually a class fighters

[Dynamite Kid]

who the **** is someone on boxingscene to say if there a class fighters
fight them and then ypull find out

in my opinion there wer A class fighters world champions are usually a class fighters

why would you compare yourself to them to establish wether they are in the same bracket and deserve the same status as a A Class fighters i aint saying there bums by any means infact i think they are very good fighters

but my criteria is different to yours the same as yours is to somebdy else's why cant we debate who was a suprerior fighter and deserves more adulation than another

IMO dela hoya ,mosely ,hopkins ,barrera ,pacquaio operate on a differnt level ,i am not trying to put them down for being B+ Class fighters it is just an illustration of the different level the afforementioned operated on

but obviously we all have our own criteria