Was Willie Pep a COWARD?

[Fox McCloud]

I posted both a video and a fight report that showed that Pep tried NOT to mix it up with Saddler.

Well, if that is so idiotic, then tell me on the basis of what that many people on here say "Floyd is a coward".

Phantasm, I can assure you that you are not operating on some otherworldly intelligence. I'm willing to hazard a bet that you don't have much better academic credentials. Sorry.

Hell, you could let the argument slide that he went toe-to-toe with Saddler.

What was his record against Saddler again? 1-3?

Hmm... let's reward a guy for repeatedly trying a strategy that made him lose, time and time again.

What the **** is wrong with everyone? You all act like using strategy and ring intelligence is a ****ing sin.

[RodBarker]

Hell, you could let the argument slide that he went toe-to-toe with Saddler.

What was his record against Saddler again? 1-3?

Hmm... let's reward a guy for repeatedly trying a strategy that made him lose, time and time again.

What the **** is wrong with everyone? You all act like using strategy and ring intelligence is a ****ing sin.

True ,,, they dont call boxing the sweet science for nothing , the best you can do is hit the other guy and not get hit yourself ,,, we all love a brawl and toe to toe , but that should not mean that a slick fighter isnt or cannot be great , in boxings purest form the guys like Mayweather are better as its harder to do the things they do , a meathead with a big heart fights that way because he dont have the skills ,,, most of the time throughout history it has shown that the real champions that were considered slick silky smooth boxers turned out to be tough as nails when they were forced to fight it out , you think Floyd is just going to cave in ,,, lol , you guys are in for a big shock as who might cave in under pressure .

[a penis]

imo benny leonard was equal to pep defensively and he could fight too

[joepal]

This piece will prove that Mayweather is one of the most overhyped fighters of all time with a carefully crafted record. 13 of Mayweathers 24 KO victories from his 38 fights came in his first 17 fights, for a guy who is suppose to be a crowd pleaser and an exciting fighter to watch. His first "real test" was against Genaro Hernandez (38-1-1), but even for his 18th fight in his career that began in 1997, he woulden't face an undefeated fighter until 2001, against Diego Corrales.

Hernandez who had an tough rugged inflated record was already knocked out in 1995 by De la Hoya, when he fought Mayweather in 1998 for the title. Hernandez started his career in 1984 and was 32 during the fight, retired after his defeat. Mayweathers next opponent, Angel Manfredy also had an extremely inflated record when he faced Mayweather, and went on to lose 7 more fights after his defeat to Mayweather. Then next up was Carlos Alberto Ramon Rios, who ended his career with 11 loses, and fought almost exclusively in Argentina to inflate his record, and his only 2 fights previous to his Mayweather figtht were lost.

His next defense came against Justin Juuko, at that time with a respectable 33-2-1 record, however he lost a fight just 3 months before facing Mayweather to Antonio Hernandez, with a record of 49-22, and went on to lose 6 of his 14 fights after his Mayweather fight. Next up, Carlos Gerena, extremely inflated record, his only test prior to Mayweather was Genaro Hernandez, and he lost obviously by UD, he went on to fight fighters with a combined record of 83-69, and boom, guess what it was Mayweathers turn to face him, and he was given a title shot right after beating Angel Aldama, at 29-27-1 by a decesion in 8 rounds.

Gregorio Vargas, standing at 5 foot 5, was given a shot and might have actually been one of the more experienced fighters coming into the ring with Mayweather, even though he carried 6 loses coming into the right, and went on to retire after losing 2 out of 7 fights following his fight with Mayweather. Emanuel Augustus, was his attempt to move up to 135, and he fought a guy with a record of 22-16-4. He then moved back down to 130 to face Diego Corrales, in a good match until Mayweather was able to figure out the spot that Corrales was knocked down on 8 other occasions by and TKO Corrales.

Then came Carlos Hernandez, another extremely inflated record, having lost 2 fights previous to higher caliber opponents, and he got his championship title shot which he did nothing to warrant, and fought figheters with records of 9-18, and 27-7-2. Mayweather went on to fight Jesus Chavez, his second test of his career [but dont be fooled] (even thought Chavez also had an inflated record, and only big win came against Arias (33-1) but don't be fooled by his record it was also EXTREMLY inflated and Arias went to retire 3 fights later), but the true 130 pound fighter had no chance with Mayweather, and actually remained at 130, until recently in a move to 125 where he was 1-1.

Then of course came the Castillo fights, the first one he was gifted, everyone knows he lost, and the second one was a close win. It was probably his biggest win in his career, but most controversial, but a great accomplishment netherless because he did move up to 135 for the fight from 130. Mayweather then went on to fight Sosa, beating him by decesion, but only a year later Cotto knocked out Sossa in 4! Then he fought N'dou, a fighter who spent his entire career fighting out of South Africa, who did lose to Mayweather, following up with another loss, and then retirement.

Then the Judah factor comes into play, Judah beats Corley by decesion, so Mayweather of course has to fight him, and we all know that Cotto went on to once again TKO Corley the following year. Then I guess Mayweather decided to take a break and fight Henry Brussels, who was previously knocked out by Roberto Ortega (14-7) and lost a majority decesion to Ernesto Azavala, but hey its Mayweather, so he gave him a title shot for no specific reason.Then came the spectacle that really started his career, a fight against Arturo Gatti, who he himself called a C class, club fighter, and then claimed this to be his biggest win of his career. Whole point was to put his face into the public eye, Gatti was overmatched by the quicker Mayweather, but who didn't see this coming? Gatti has been past his prime since 1997, but gained much respect and recognition for his ring wars.

For his quick move to 147, having already in his mind conquered Hatton, Cotto etc., at 140, fought Sharmba Mitchell, who coming off a serious knee injury, had been humiliated by Kostya Tszyu in 3 rounds the previous year, and very discouraged as a fighter afterwards, was another perfectly set match for Mayweather. Of course we all know what followed, Baldomir beat Judah, but Mayweather still gave him a shot, only to follow that up with a fight with an outclassed Baldomir the same year. to win the title at 147, and decide it was enough at that weight class.

He then went on to fight De la Hoya, running the entire fight, and of course De La Hoya is only past his prime for the past 8-10 years or so, and then had the nerve to retire and call himself the greatest p4p ever!

[Fox McCloud]

This piece will prove that Mayweather is one of the most overhyped fighters of all time with a carefully crafted record. 13 of Mayweathers 24 KO victories from his 38 fights came in his first 17 fights, for a guy who is suppose to be a crowd pleaser and an exciting fighter to watch. His first "real test" was against Genaro Hernandez (38-1-1), but even for his 18th fight in his career that began in 1997, he woulden't face an undefeated fighter until 2001, against Diego Corrales.

Hernandez who had an tough rugged inflated record was already knocked out in 1995 by De la Hoya, when he fought Mayweather in 1998 for the title. Hernandez started his career in 1984 and was 32 during the fight, retired after his defeat. Mayweathers next opponent, Angel Manfredy also had an extremely inflated record when he faced Mayweather, and went on to lose 7 more fights after his defeat to Mayweather. Then next up was Carlos Alberto Ramon Rios, who ended his career with 11 loses, and fought almost exclusively in Argentina to inflate his record, and his only 2 fights previous to his Mayweather figtht were lost.

His next defense came against Justin Juuko, at that time with a respectable 33-2-1 record, however he lost a fight just 3 months before facing Mayweather to Antonio Hernandez, with a record of 49-22, and went on to lose 6 of his 14 fights after his Mayweather fight. Next up, Carlos Gerena, extremely inflated record, his only test prior to Mayweather was Genaro Hernandez, and he lost obviously by UD, he went on to fight fighters with a combined record of 83-69, and boom, guess what it was Mayweathers turn to face him, and he was given a title shot right after beating Angel Aldama, at 29-27-1 by a decesion in 8 rounds.

Gregorio Vargas, standing at 5 foot 5, was given a shot and might have actually been one of the more experienced fighters coming into the ring with Mayweather, even though he carried 6 loses coming into the right, and went on to retire after losing 2 out of 7 fights following his fight with Mayweather. Emanuel Augustus, was his attempt to move up to 135, and he fought a guy with a record of 22-16-4. He then moved back down to 130 to face Diego Corrales, in a good match until Mayweather was able to figure out the spot that Corrales was knocked down on 8 other occasions by and TKO Corrales.

Then came Carlos Hernandez, another extremely inflated record, having lost 2 fights previous to higher caliber opponents, and he got his championship title shot which he did nothing to warrant, and fought figheters with records of 9-18, and 27-7-2. Mayweather went on to fight Jesus Chavez, his second test of his career [but dont be fooled] (even thought Chavez also had an inflated record, and only big win came against Arias (33-1) but don't be fooled by his record it was also EXTREMLY inflated and Arias went to retire 3 fights later), but the true 130 pound fighter had no chance with Mayweather, and actually remained at 130, until recently in a move to 125 where he was 1-1.

Then of course came the Castillo fights, the first one he was gifted, everyone knows he lost, and the second one was a close win. It was probably his biggest win in his career, but most controversial, but a great accomplishment netherless because he did move up to 135 for the fight from 130. Mayweather then went on to fight Sosa, beating him by decesion, but only a year later Cotto knocked out Sossa in 4! Then he fought N'dou, a fighter who spent his entire career fighting out of South Africa, who did lose to Mayweather, following up with another loss, and then retirement.

Then the Judah factor comes into play, Judah beats Corley by decesion, so Mayweather of course has to fight him, and we all know that Cotto went on to once again TKO Corley the following year. Then I guess Mayweather decided to take a break and fight Henry Brussels, who was previously knocked out by Roberto Ortega (14-7) and lost a majority decesion to Ernesto Azavala, but hey its Mayweather, so he gave him a title shot for no specific reason.

Then came the spectacle that really started his career, a fight against Arturo Gatti, who he himself called a C class, club fighter, and then claimed this to be his biggest win of his career. Whole point was to put his face into the public eye, Gatti was overmatched by the quicker Mayweather, but who didn't see this coming? Gatti has been past his prime since 1997, but gained much respect and recognition for his ring wars.

For his quick move to 147, having already in his mind conquered Hatton, Cotto etc., at 140, fought Sharmba Mitchell, who coming off a serious knee injury, had been humiliated by Kostya Tszyu in 3 rounds the previous year, and very discouraged as a fighter afterwards, was another perfectly set match for Mayweather. Of course we all know what followed, Baldomir beat Judah, but Mayweather still gave him a shot, only to follow that up with a fight with an outclassed Baldomir the same year. to win the title at 147, and decide it was enough at that weight class.

He then went on to fight De la Hoya, running the entire fight, and of course De La Hoya is only past his prime for the past 8-10 years or so, and then had the nerve to retire and call himself the greatest p4p ever!

No, cool man... I'll say it again. Sweet plagarization of something written by a fellow poster (without crediting it by the way). What are their boxing credentials? Boxrec specialist? Cool.

Every fighter Floyd has ever fought had an inflated record, because they fought ****ty fighters in their first few fights (like everyone else), and they all suck because they lost a lot at the end of their careers (like everyone else). Well ****ing done. Well, not really, it's not even your piece.

So... shut the **** up.

[joepal]

No, cool man... I'll say it again. Sweet plagarization of something written by a fellow poster (without crediting it by the way). What are their boxing credentials? Boxrec specialist? Cool.

Every fighter Floyd has ever fought had an inflated record, because they fought ****ty fighters in their first few fights (like everyone else), and they all suck because they lost a lot at the end of their careers (like everyone else). Well ****ing done. Well, not really, it's not even your piece.

So... shut the **** up.

Was I even calling the piece mine? Why don't you just try to rebut the allegations in this beautiful article which IMO needs to be reposted everytime you Floyd nuthuggers get out of hand.

Better yet, why don't I see anyone of note in the list who is even half the man Marco Antonio Barrera was?

Hell, I dont even see any guy the caliber of a Sasakul or Ledwaba!

[Fox McCloud]

Was I even calling the piece mine? Why don't you just try to rebut the allegations in this beautiful article which IMO needs to be reposted everytime you Floyd nuthuggers get out of hand.

Better yet, why don't I see anyone of note in the list who is even half the man Marco Antonio Barrera was?

Hell, I dont even see any guy the caliber of a Sasakul or Ledwaba!

I've already said my piece against that article. It is extremely biased... you know how I can tell? They don't miss a beat on anything.

Floyd dominated the undefeated Diego Corrales, knocking him down 5 times, but he got knocked down 8 times after that.

Did they mention how many times he got knocked down previous? It was the same number as his losses. 0.

They say Genaro Hernandez wasn't a good win for Mayweather.

I'd had enough after I got through his so-called resume at 130, who no one should have a problem with.

And before telling me to answer their allegations, why don't you take your cheerleading suit off, and make your own arguments?

[joepal]

I've already said my piece against that article. It is extremely biased... you know how I can tell? They don't miss a beat on anything.

Floyd dominated the undefeated Diego Corrales, knocking him down 5 times, but he got knocked down 8 times after that.

Did they mention how many times he got knocked down previous? It was the same number as his losses. 0.

They say Genaro Hernandez wasn't a good win for Mayweather.

I'd had enough after I got through his so-called resume at 130, who no one should have a problem with.

And before telling me to answer their allegations, why don't you take your cheerleading suit off, and make your own arguments?

Diego Corrales? Are you sure you're not leaving any fact out here? Like HE WAS FACING JAIL TIME JUST BEFORE THE FIGHT? And so what if he was undefeated, SOLIS was undefeated but people never credit Pac for that win. And ****en besides, Diego getting knocked down is as common as Floyd running around!

So since Diego was his best win (Hell man I loved Chico, the man was a warrior!), that doesnt make Floyd better than Pac who beat MAB, Morales, and JMM (if not for the error), fighters with skill level many times better than Chico.

[Wiley Hyena]

I posted both a video and a fight report that showed that Pep tried NOT to mix it up with Saddler.

Well, if that is so idiotic, then tell me on the basis of what that many people on here say "Floyd is a coward".

Phantasm, I can assure you that you are not operating on some otherworldly intelligence. I'm willing to hazard a bet that you don't have much better academic credentials. Sorry.

The perception is that Floyd is cautious, not necessarily a coward. However, it goes beyond just his fighting style, it also goes to the perception that he cherry picks opponents. I doubt Willie Pep can be accused of this.

[Fox McCloud]

The perception is that Floyd is cautious, not necessarily a coward. However, it goes beyond just his fighting style, it also goes to the perception that he cherry picks opponents. I doubt Willie Pep can be accused of this.

The dude that Pep made miss the entire 3rd round on was in the lower top 10 of the division. Floyd always fights guys in the top 10.

Truth is, no fighter has ever fought the top ranked fighter in his division every fight. Ever. Seriously.

Everyone fights warm up bouts... (Sharmba Mitchell, Hector Velazquez)

I just think it is odd that everyone feels that Floyd should be held to a higher standard than everyone else in the sport.