Mayweather shouldn't be in the HOF.

[THe TRiNiTY]

That might be true but it shouldn't happen. I'd rather put Taylor in the HOF than Mayweather. Taylor fought the best of the best if you think about it..

And, he looked bad, doing it. He stuggled twice against a 40 year old legend. Barely squeeked away with the title, and barely retained it. He looked decent against Wright, but to a lot of people, Wright looked better. He looked pretty shabby against Kassim Ouma and then almost lost to a former welterweight champion fighting at 160 for the first time in Cory Spinks. I'm not faulting Taylor for giving it his all, he did. But he did something, and looked like ****, overall, doing it. Nothing to really brag about. He won, yes. Looked like a HOFer? Not so much.

Furthermore, when he finally fought a strong, full-sized middleweight (other than Hopkins), he gets (T)KOed in 7. Other than that, he fought limited opposition, and looked good doing it. Did what he had to do, but what he HAD to do, isn't what makes a HOFer.

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As far as Mayweather, he's fought... Gernaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Diego Corrales (gave him his first defeat, badly), Jesus Chavez, Carlos Hernandez, Jose Luis Castillo (one close, one clearly), Phillip N'Dou, Chop Chop Corley, Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir, Oscar De La Hoya. Some were a bit faded, some were a bit overrated. Regardless, one could make an argument that he lost about 20 to 30, ENTIRELY in all these fights. That's pretty damn impressive, and he's still got room to improve this record. He boxes well, and at the right weight, had a deent pop to his punch. He deserves it and Jermaine Taylor, not so much.

[QuCongee]

he's done the bare minimum to get in the hall, just like he does to get by in every fight.

Im speaking from a typical HOF voter's perspective...I personally wouldnt put him in the hall because of how pitiful he looked in some of his biggest wins...DLH, Castillo...

The De La Hoya fight is up for debate but he DEFINITELY lost to Castillo. He clearly won the rematch but this is something you'll never heard a Mayweather fan bring up.

Castillo CLEARLY beat Mayweather by several points.

For the record, I think Mayweather should be in the HOF.

[Fox McCloud]

he's done the bare minimum to get in the hall, just like he does to get by in every fight.

Im speaking from a typical HOF voter's perspective...I personally wouldnt put him in the hall because of how pitiful he looked in some of his biggest wins...DLH, Castillo...


From an ATG perspective, he hasnt even come close....yet. Who knows where he could go with that talent of his.

Haha, Corrales win wasn't one of his biggest?

The guy who is ranked the highest in the P4P rankings when he fought him isn't one of his biggest wins? Odd.

[squealpiggy]

Of course Maywetaher is a hall of famer. He has won titles in every division he has been in and is as yet undefeated. He was the linear champ in every division apart from one. He was untouchable at super featherweight and lightweight, extremely good at jr welterweight and always found a way to win at welter.

You'd have to be nuts to even think up and argument as to why Floyd doesn't belong in the HOF.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

The Experts Know That Kostya Tszyu Was An Average Fighter.

Pretty sure Zab got to Mayweather for the first few rounds of that fight.

Lets see Tzsyu KO2.

Mayweather dec12.


Yep i can see why Mayweather would get to Tszyu.


History. Tszyu was KNOWN for getting to slick boxers. Mayweather avoided Tszyu like the plague. Just the facts brother!

IDIOTIC ARGUMENT

Ali lost to Frazier, ud win, tko14
Foreman blew Frazier out EARLY.
FOREMAN WILL KILL ALI....RIGHT?

MAYWEATHER AVOIDED TSZYU TO FIGHT A BIGGER, BETTER, YOUNGER FIGHTER. YEAH, RIGHT.

Mayweather's resume is far better than Tszyu's.

ESPN SELECTS THE TOP 50 FIGHTERS OF ALL TIME
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
18. Archie Moore
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes
39. Oscar De La Hoya
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Pernell Whitaker
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr.
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
49. Erik Morales
50. Mike Tyson

In 2002, the writers of Ring Magazine published a ranking of the 80 best fighters of the previous 80 years. The entirely subjective nature of any list comparing fighters across different weight categories and different eras is bound to be fodder for debate. This list was no exception. See what you think ...

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes
28. Mickey Walker
29. Ruben Olivares
30. Gene Tunney
31. **** Tiger
32. Fighting Harada
33. Emile Griffith
34. Tony Canzoneri
35. Aaron Pryor
36. Pascual Perez
37. Miguel Canto
38. Manuel Ortiz
39. Charley Burley
40. Carmen Basilio
41. Michael Spinks
42. Joe Frazier
43. Khaosai Galaxy
44. Roy Jones Jr.
45. Tiger Flowers
46. Panama Al Brown
47. Kid Chocolate
48. Joe Brown
49. Tommy Loughran
50. Bernard Hopkins
51. Felix Trinidad
52. Jake LaMotta
53. Lennox Lewis
54. Wilfredo Gomez
55. Bob Foster
56. Jose Napoles
57. Billy Conn
58. Jimmy McLarnin
59. Pancho Villa
60. Carlos Ortiz
61. Bob Montgomery
62. Freddie Miller
63. Benny Lynch
64. Beau Jack
65. Azumah Nelson
66. Eusebio Pedroza
67. Thomas Hearns
68. Wilfred Benitez
69. Antonio Cervantes
70. Ricardo Lopez
71. Sonny Liston
72. Mike Tyson
73. Vicente Saldivar
74. Gene Fullmer
75. Oscar De La Hoya
76. Carlos Zarate
77. Marcel Cerdan
78. Flash Elorde
79. Mike McCallum
80. Harold Johnson

Source: Ring Magazine (2002)

[SkillspayBills]

I have no problem with that. Floyd's balls are bb's compared to Gatti's elephant sack.

That was a..................odd. Floyd murdered Gatti, guess havin an "elephant sack" didn't help him in that fight.

[SkillspayBills]

I AM EXPOSING THIS AS A LIE:

Ricky hatton beat Kostya Tszyu in early June, 2005....at 140.

Floyd Mayweather beat Gatti in late June, 2005...at 140.

FLOYD DID NOT FIGHT AT 147 UNTIL NOV, 2005.

Howinthe**** could PBF move up to avoid Tszyu when Hatton had the 140 title?

Ricky Hatton was offered a fight with Floyd Mayweather for Ricky's LWW belt, and the Hattons did not even want to negotiate. They said that they wanted more fights before they faced Mayweather. WE HAVE ALL SEEN THAT THE HATTONS ASKED FOR TUNE-UPS BEFORE PBF.

If you challenge me on this, I will GLADLY give you multiple articles, including the quotes from Ray Hatton. And Frank Warren. And several different writers.

Hyena, you have said this repeatedly, and I gave you a pass. Enough. It isn't true. It isn't nearly true. Stop saying it. You are lying.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Oct-22-Sat-2005/sports/3950448.html

"I can't make these guys fight," said an exasperated Mayweather, who had hoped to face Wright in what would have been one of the year's most intriguing bouts instead of what will turn out to be nothing more than a glorified exhibition.

Former lightweight, welterweight and super welterweight champion Shane Mosley was offered a bout against Mayweather, but declined.

Mosley said he wanted a couple of tuneups, but said he'd fight Mayweather next year.

Kostya Tszyu isn't sure he'll fight again. His conqueror, Ricky Hatton, turned Mayweather down before money was even discussed.

Oscar De La Hoya has mentioned Mayweather, but said he won't consider him until late 2006.

That's around the time when Top Rank promoter Bob Arum said he'd be willing to put young and promising Miguel Cotto in against Mayweather.

Ownage of the MOTHER****ING DAY, damn this **** Wiley does not know how to shut his trap.

[boxingfan4life]

Regardless of the accusations of ducking competition floyd will be entered into the hall of fame. Lets be realistic. He won titles in six different divisions and is undefeated right now. Those accomplishments right there are good enough to be in the hall of fame. If you want to grade it according to greatness, no not yet. but if you wanna grade it according to championships and record then yeah he should be.

[SkillspayBills]

Only have to say:
Mayweather 2004: "I'm the greatest WW of all time."
Tszyu 2004: Held the title. First man in 30 years to consolidate the belts at 140. The king at 140.
Result: No fight.

Tszyu didn't move up in weight. Floyd did. Floyd had years to fight Tszyu. He did the talk, but didn't do the walk. No excuses!

You are obsessed with the facts right? Show me one damn article where Tszyu talks about facing Floyd. Or one article where Floyd says he wouldn't face Tszyu. quoting DD "Thank you in advance."

[joepal]

Regardless of the accusations of ducking competition floyd will be entered into the hall of fame. Lets be realistic. He won titles in six different divisions and is undefeated right now. Those accomplishments right there are good enough to be in the hall of fame. If you want to grade it according to greatness, no not yet. but if you wanna grade it according to championships and record then yeah he should be.

Just a thought. How come all Floyd defenders in this thread have black women in their avatars? Hmm...