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As i find myself explaining on here time and time again, lewis was one of the most jab-orientated fighters around, once you got underneath the jab, he didnt like it and it caused him problems, lewis was good if he could keep you at a distance, when the distance was closed on him, he had problems imo.
About the payment: Not when tyson was in his prime and to be honest, i always treated that with a pinch of salt, but if it happened it happened, it wouldnt have happened when tyson was in his prime, cos lewis wasnt even on tyson's radar then.Comment
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are you serious? ali had never been stopped and got up and fought on. lewis couldnt even stand up straight after mcall dropped him and didnt beat the count against rahman. they were crushing knockout losses period. and where did I say lewis wasnt great? I put him between 7 and 10 all time. I think the majority of boxing historians would agree with me. rahman and mcall were decent punchers,,,,far from great punchers fwiwComment
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And just for the record, how anyone could put lewis ahead of foreman i dont know.
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No, I appreciate that the jab was a huge part of Lewis's arsenal, I just don't understand how that can be a detraction per se. After all, if it worked, it worked.
And as for Lewis not being on Tyson's radar when he was prime... that's not really Lewis's fault, is it? For the record I have Lewis somewhere between 7-20 all time, though no doubt he could have kicked the ass of most of them.. which isn't really the point.Comment
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It worked against Smaller and Men and average fighters, and even then he still got knocked out cold twice, if someone wants to talk about lewis as a world class fighter, thats fine by me, but in terms of the company i see him put on with here, not for me.
I think he won in a poor heavyweight division, he never fought a southpaw, actually ducked a prime chris byrd when he admitted he'd rather not fight him which is well known (for what reason i dont know cos id have picked him in that fight), never fought a genuine equal in his era, his opponents either were aged, Smaller or only had a punchers chance and struggled with guys the great heavyweights would have beat with ease.
Lewis is hyped because,
1) He beat tyson so badly people think the outcome would have been the same in primes.
2) Because he was the recognised world champion.
3) When he left, the Heavyweight divison just descended into arguably the worst era of all time, because there are very few eras where guys like Valuev, Williams, Ibragimov, Ray Austin and the like would be contenders.
Thus people look back fondly to the times when the HW division was a little better and he was champ.
Relativity is the reason why he gets hyped on here.Last edited by Technical_Skill; 09-09-2007, 01:03 PM.Comment
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Lewis was getting up from BOTH knockdowns when the ref called it off, especially in the McCall fight, because refs are more iffy about TKOs nowadays. Ali was extremely shaky when he was dropped by Henry Cooper. If when he got up the ref thought he wasnt fit to continue and gave Henry the win via TKO, would it have made a dent on Ali's career at all? Personally, it wouldnt change mine. the same thing happened to Lewis.
And I respect your top 5, I have no problem with it. Louis, Ali, Holmes are all definately above Lewis. your placement, with good argument, is completely legitimate to me.
but PLEASE, PLEASE...SOMEONE give me ten Heavyweights that have better records than Lewis if hes not top ten material.
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