Lennox Lewis

[Wiley Hyena]

I'm just saying that, while I might be suceptible to placing Lewis at the no. 10spot for all time heavies, I prefer Holyfield in that spot. Lennox doesn't hold the stature to ascend any higher than that, and alot of boxing historians would think that's being too generous. I mean, he was dominant in his time, but not unbeatable.

[SkillspayBills]

Lennox is in at least the top 5 Heavyweights, he is "unofficially" undefeated, beaten the greatest at his division, he showed that his losses were flukes and did what a great does, come back from defeat and take his place back on the top.

[The Noose]

tell me this...if Muhammed Ali was getting up from that Henry Cooper punch, and the ref called the fight off because Ali WAS very hurt and Ali lost...but then he went on to win the rematch convincingly and do everything the same throughtout his career...would you hold it against him and not call him a great?

Ali was great because of his wins as an underdog against Liston and Foreman more than anything else.
Lewis was never in that position, so im not sure if u can compare the two.

Lewis did avenge both defeats, and dominated the division, but his biggest wins werent so great compared to Ali.

[Steak]

of course not, Ali's wins are far ahead of Lennox's, Im not even comparing. but the point is, hypothetically if Ali was considered knocked out in that Cooper fight but everything else in his career was the same, I would still consider him the best of all time. no one should downgrade Lewis just because of those losses. Louis also was pretty much dominated in his fight against Schmeling, but he obviously avenged his loss in amazing fashion and no one holds it against him. At least Lewis was winning his fights against those two before he got caught....

not to mention Holyfield lost more than a few times. he avenged them, as did Lewis...but dont use double standards. Lennox's record is better than Holyfields if you only look at his heavyweight career, Im quite positive.

And guys, if Lewis is not top ten, please, just name ten guys above him...Id be surprised if you could find 10 Heavyweights with better records than him.
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[Banderivets]

Top 10, maybe even top 5......Because he is the first of the big heavies, and heavies his size would w00p the guys of the old.....and I am being very general here.

[duffgun]

i would have him around number 10, his fights against holyfield were when holyfield was past his best and he still put up a good fight in there 2nd meeting, tyson was also way past his best. if he had fights with holyfield bowe and tyson when they were in there primes plus a fight with ibeabuchi in 2000 i would put him in the top 5 but then he might have a few more loses on his record, it wasn't his fault that none of these fights take place.

[The Noose]

of course not, Ali's wins are far ahead of Lennox's, Im not even comparing. but the point is, hypothetically if Ali was considered knocked out in that Cooper fight but everything else in his career was the same, I would still consider him the best of all time. no one should downgrade Lewis just because of those losses. Louis also was pretty much dominated in his fight against Schmeling, but he obviously avenged his loss in amazing fashion and no one holds it against him. At least Lewis was winning his fights against those two before he got caught....

not to mention Holyfield lost more than a few times. he avenged them, as did Lewis...but dont use double standards. Lennox's record is better than Holyfields if you only look at his heavyweight career, Im quite positive.

And guys, if Lewis is not top ten, please, just name ten guys above him...Id be surprised if you could find 10 Heavyweights with better records than him.

I dont think people downgrade Lewis for just losing.It was the way in which he lost.
I cant think of any other top ten heavyweight who got KO'd with a single shot once. Lewis managed it twice.

I do think those loses are significant, even though overall his career is outstanding, and he beat everyone put in front of him. Its difficult to dismiss 2 single punch KO's, both against average to decent fighters.

[Technical_Skill]

As long as he is kept away on the all time list from fighters Like Louis, Ali, Tyson etc, ill be happy.

-Overrated on this forum
-Only dominated cos Tyson spent his prime in jail
-Hid behind a jab for most of his carrer
-Only fought tyson when tyson was totally shot, before then he convinced everyone he didnt need tyson
-Got knocked out stone cold twice by glorified Journeymen
-Struggled with Frank Bruno

Lets not overdo him now, please, he was good, thats about it.

[Ironside]

As long as he is kept away on the all time list from fighters Like Louis, Ali, Tyson etc, ill be happy.

-Overrated on this forum
-Only dominated cos Tyson spent his prime in jail
-Hid behind a jab for most of his carrer
-Only fought tyson when tyson was totally shot, before then he convinced everyone he didnt need tyson
-Got knocked out stone cold twice by glorified Journeymen
-Struggled with Frank Bruno

Lets not overdo him now, please, he was good, thats about it.

1- who isn't overrated?
2- who's fault is that?
3- not a valid excuse.
4-Like you said, he didn't fight Tyson in his prime cause he was in jail, wasn't Lewis' fault.
5- Avenged both losses, unlike most fighters.
6- In the end he got the job done, that's what matters.

[Technical_Skill]

1- who isn't overrated?
2- who's fault is that?
3- not a valid excuse.
4-Like you said, he didn't fight Tyson in his prime cause he was in jail, wasn't Lewis' fault.
5- Avenged both losses, unlike most fighters.
6- In the end he got the job done, that's what matters.

Who gives a **** that lewis 'avenged those losses' they were to relative nobodies and no great fighter should be getting KTFO twice by the likes of mc call and Rahman, ****in james toney went the full 12 with rahman and he started at middleweight, so what lewis got the job done, he did it against shot fighters and blown up heavyweights,

tyson in his prime would have knocked lewis out so cold, when he woke up he would be talking in a ****ney accent.

Lewis was a good fighter, thats about it.